Was I right, wrong, or am I going crazy

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This happened in a new hospital halfway between london and bristol, in about 2004. I had got tired of all the agency work in A&E in London, so signed up for a 3 month contract in a general surgical ward working nights.

I had some bad experiences straight away - as in no handover on my first shift, and I confronted the hardened battle axe of a nurse who was finishing the day shift as she was about to leave the ward. She told me that all the patients were fine - and left.

But that's another story, but suffice to say, I stuck with the place for two months, and things only got worse, and I had to quit. But one incident happened, and I felt that I was the only one in the hospital who could see this problem, and to this day I still think I'm in the right, although I do have some doubt now. So here's the scenario.

Mrs Smith had cellulitis of her left calf (it wasn't her real diagnosis as I can't remember, but I do remember she did not have a particularly serious problem). Anyway, I'd been giving her the evening IV AB,s and got to know her well as she loved to chat. She was one of the more lively patients in her 6 bedded bay.

Anyway, I turn up to work (I think about 2000hrs) and I am told by the charge nurse that Mrs Smith is 'unconscious.'

I'm thinking, okay, what happened, where is she now? I'm then told she is still in the bay at the end of the ward, unconscious. I can't believe my ears. An unconscious patient, regardless of cause = unprotected airway. It all goes back to ABC. I tell the charge nurse that this can't be right, but he then explains that she's had a CT, been seen by her consultant, been seen by the medical team, and been seen by the neurological team, and they cannot find a cause, and all scans are normal.

I am told that there is nothing to do, but to leave her there.

You may not believe this, but neither could I.

I explain that this is crazy. We have an otherwise healthy 60yr old woman with an unprotected airway, at the end of the ward. The charge nurse gets a bit angry, and tells me if I'm that worried, I can spend the night at her bedside, but that's up to me, and I still have 11 other patients for the night. All I wanted was for her to be somewhere where she could be observed, as a simple aspiration and she's gone. An otherwise healthy woman could be dead in a matter of minutes. She's on no kind of monitoring, absolutely nothing.

What should I do? I contemplated walking out. I contemplated complaining to the duty nurse supervisor, but found out she was ok with this as well. I stayed for the shift.

I managed to go past her room about every 15-20 minutes - pathetic really, but the best I could manage, and every time i tried to wake her.

At about 0300hrs I tried waking her, and she woke up, asked what time it was, and seemed completely fine.

You probably won't believe this, but this is exactly how it happened. I've never seen someone suddenly go unconscious for no apparent reason, and suddenly wake up hours later absolutely fine.

I called the house surgeon and told him about her, and he was like 'why did you bother calling me?' and I told him that it was a bloody miracle she was still alive, and that he might want to assess her while she's still conscious, because who knows what could happen. He agreed to come down and do an assessment.

Anyway, I worked there a little bit longer before an even worse event forced me to quit, but I'm curious what you think. Should she have been in a monitored unit? Should she even have been intubated? Was I over reacting?

I always felt I was in the right on this one, but it seems I was the only one in the hospital who felt that way.

Did she get ANY sedating medications? I've seen patients that are extremely sensitive to even very low doses of opiates or anxiolytics. Coupled with exhaustion already this could easily account for her symptoms.
She's had 3 teams of doctors look at her: the surgical team who she was admitted under, the medical team and the neurological team - and they said she was unconscious. If a neurologist says someone is unconscious, and they 're even so convinced that they feel the need to scan her, then I guess she's unconscious
She's had 3 teams of doctors look at her: the surgical team who she was admitted under, the medical team and the neurological team - and they said she was unconscious. If a neurologist says someone is unconscious, and they 're even so convinced that they feel the need to scan her, then I guess she's unconscious.

Just to clarify, you're unconscious when you're asleep. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

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She's had 3 teams of doctors look at her: the surgical team who she was admitted under, the medical team and the neurological team - and they said she was unconscious. If a neurologist says someone is unconscious, and they 're even so convinced that they feel the need to scan her, then I guess she's unconscious

One can be unconscious from a drug side effect- heroin overdose, anesthesia, ICU sedation while ventilated, hypoglycemia from insulin, etc, etc, etc.

One can be unconscious from a drug side effect- heroin overdose, anesthesia, ICU sedation while ventilated, hypoglycemia from insulin, etc, etc, etc.

As I said right at the start, the doctors could not find a reason.

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As I said right at the start, the doctors could not find a reason.

Sometimes the elephant in the room can be easy to miss. Or people can underestimate the effect of these meds. I had a patient be unresponsive and unrousable for 6 hours from 0.5mg of Ativan.

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Actually, there was one person that agreed with me. There was another nurse whom I began working there with, from NZ, from my home hospital, a friend, who was working that night. Didn't bother to bring her up, but yes, she agree with me.

And to suggest simple 'exhaustion' are you serious? She's so exhausted they can't get a response from her, and she's seen by a bunch of doctors and had a bunch of tests. Are you really serious? It sounds to me more like you're out to fault me simply because I'm so incredible.

But don't get me started on my brief spell modeling for 'Guess' underwear during my nursing school days. I know there is no way to convince you.

With this post, you've lost me.

And I don't understand why you were so worried about her airway. By your story, she had spontaneous respirations without vomiting.

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I do not understand what you want from this community. Thus far you follow a very specific script in all of your posts:

The existing staff are all callous, brainless, negligent nurses

You are the little-heralded temp nurse who comes in and saves the day

You create a "click bait" type of title to your posts

There is no clinical question that you have

Predictably you get called out by other members and a moderator swoops in to save you from the natural consequences of your behavior

What is it that you want? Your relentless repetition of your script is very troubling to me .

THIS. Amen and Amen.

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My husband keeps looking at me askance over his morning coffee. I've laughed out loud 3 or 4 times while reading this thread.

Nursingaround, you really are something. Not sure what, but something, nonetheless.

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I just reread the OP, and I'm still laughing out loud. Particularly at this paragraph:

I called the house surgeon and told him about her, and he was like 'why did you bother calling me?' and I told him that it was a bloody miracle she was still alive, and that he might want to assess her while she's still conscious, because who knows what could happen. He agreed to come down and do an assessment.

Yeah, I bet it might happen again in, oh, 10-15 hours from now?

It reminds me so much of an Onion article I once read about the "8-lb Man Removed From Woman's lady parts"

Eight-Pound Man Removed From Woman's lady parts - The Onion - America's Finest News Source

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I think I have figured it out. The OP is a MarySue. And he just has to show us how good a MarySue he is.

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I think I have figured it out. The OP is a MarySue. And he just has to show us how good a MarySue he is.

Reference?

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What part have you not bothered to read. She had been unconscious since sometime during the day - she'd been reviewed by medical teams, had a scan and other tests - no one could wake her, and her tests were normal. I never said she fell asleep at 2000hrs. I said I came onto work then, and was told my patient was unconscious, and they didn't know why. As for this deep sleep you keep talking about, perhaps you think all the other doctors who said she was unconscious instead of asleep are wrong as well? By saying Im wrong because I disagree with the observation of my patient with my colleagues, you're wrong as well, as you suggest she's simply asleep, when they all say she's unconscious, even the neurological team.

It sounds to me you're so desperate to attack every decision I make, that you attack without reason, and don't even bother to read the whole post - at least you'd assume so judging by the gaps in your statements.

I did read you post (now multiple times), it never said she was unconscious before 2000 but now all of a sudden she is.

Well obviously the doctors & nurses you worked with disagreed with you too. That was made clear when you called the surgeon & he wanted to know why you were bothering him. Also all of us don't agree with you, you're on an island on your own. I don't know why you find it so hard to believe she was sleeping.

My husband works in the oil field & can go for 24-36 hours straight. When he finally comes home he is exhausted & passes out. He can sleep for hours! Plus he sleeps like a rock. Should I intubate him because he's unconscious for hours to protect his airway? By the way, you did bring up intubation, check your first couple comments. What if she had a stressful life & her body just gave out? There is no medical reason to protect her airway, if there was I'm sure a doctor would have told you to.

You made this post asked if you were right, wrong or crazy. Now that everyone is disagreeing with you, you are getting upset & saying *we* are wrong. Why did you make this post in the first place & why do you keep making these ridiculous posts?

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