July 31 2017, guy fleeing police crosses median and slams into truck and dies. The truck catches fire severely burning the innocent driver, Mr. Gray, who was taken to SLC University. Police later showed up demanding to the UNCONSCIOUS innocent patient's blood. RN Alex shows them the policy requiring consent, arrest, or a warrant. Hospital administration back up RN Alex.
Police aggressively arrest RN Alex and removes her from the hospital. Officer body cam insanity released today:
In this video, the aggressive officer can be heard saying that he will ensure all the "transients" are brought to this hospitals ED since they won't cooperate after being told the administrators and privacy officer are on their way.
Original Crash (graphic):
Interesting note about Alex, she was a 2x Olympian, US Ski Team member, and national champion is Slalom and GS.
Wow just wow. I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this. Speechless for now[/quote']
Methinks she is a troll and not a nurse. Just my suspicions. The fact that she seems to think the nurse should be fired for doing her job correctly allows me to think that.
I'm not trying to start an argument here, I'm just genuinely curious as to what you think the security guard could have (or should have) done differently?
I worked in the security industry for several years before getting into health care and once the LEO's show up, there's nothing more security can do. Any attempt by security to intervene and he easily could have lost his job, his security license, and could be subject to a number of criminal charges depending on how he chose to intervene.
Just to clarify, I am by no means justifying the actions of law enforcement in this scenario. That officer should lose his badge and be subject to the same prosecution any non-LEO would face in the same situation. But, in my opinion, blaming the security guard is way off base. This falls in the hand's of law enforcement, and law enforcement only.
Privately employed security would be a much different situation, however this ER wasn't staffed by hospital security guards, it was staffed by LEOs.
Wuzzie, every trauma center I have ever worked in for the last 20 years draws BAC and a drug screen on EVERY classed out trauma patient. You can not just assume that the injury caused the mental status change. This is akin to getting a blood glucose, I don't know how many MVC's I've seen that come in with a glucose of 20, this is important to know.
That is for the patient's treatment, not for the police.
There is no justification. Although, we knew we had a cancer growing with the police force if we were listening to people of color who were seeing it and providing us evidence of it happening in their communities. The only positive out of this situation is awareness of the corruption and brutality that is silently accepted by police and steps to prove it is not okay.
Legally, she was expected to stand there without protest while he moved her body. In fact, she was supposed to comply with his "arrest" and then let the law figure it out later. That infuriates me even if I don't have a solution. HE SHOULD NEVER HAVE TOUCHED HER! The fact that he was not placed on administrative leave until after the public leak is ridiculous. He needs to be held accountable by being let go. Let him have his early retirement, whatever, if this is the first and only incident and chalk it up to PTSD. But if he has a pattern of being involved in "situations" like this, then the appropriate departments need to take measures to ensure justice where he was involved and negatively influenced others with unlawful actions.
I also believe he is a sociopath, but that is a gut feeling based on only 20 minutes of footage and a few hours of internet perusal.
Her hospital has now issued an order barring police from patient care areas period. They also are no longer allowing the police to talk directly to the nurses (they will have to talk with nurse supervisors). I think this is an important line in the sand. I'm glad a hospital is standing up for whats right.
Her hospital has now issued an order barring police from patient care areas period. They also are no longer allowing the police to talk directly to the nurses (they will have to talk with nurse supervisors). I think this is an important line in the sand. I'm glad a hospital is standing up for whats right.
This policy wouldn't work in my hospital. The police routinely bring pts in for medical clearance before jail, or when there's been an accident, or to obtain a legal draw.
We work closely with them, there's never been anything other than teamwork and camaraderie. The law is adhered to and everyone is on the same page and the same team.
I hope that hospital and the police are able to heal their relationship, this is so sad and unnecessary. Hopefully this will be temporary.
This policy wouldn't work in my hospital. The police routinely bring pts in for medical clearance before jail, or when there's been an accident, or to obtain a legal draw.
We work closely with them, there's never been anything other than teamwork and camaraderie. The law is adhered to and everyone is on the same page and the same team.
That was probably the case at the Utah hospital, too, until the day it all changed. Might change tomorrow at your hospital. There seem to be an awful lot of "bad apples" in police forces around the country these days.
That was probably the case at the Utah hospital, too, until the day it all changed. Might change tomorrow at your hospital. There seem to be an awful lot of "bad apples" in police forces around the country these days.
If there is a criminal in my ER, I prefer a police officer to be standing by, thank you very much. I don't judge a whole profession by the actions of a few.
I couldn't be happier that the hospital changed their policy back in August, and that they took a fairly hard stance, IMO. It was beginning to seem as if they were more interested in self-serving/self-preserving outcomes than in the ethical and lawful treatment of their employees.
That said, I do wish they would've made different changes. There is really no reason to say that the police may not interact with any nurse, when instead they could've stopped with the policy being that ALL requests for information must be addressed to nursing administration. I fear their new declaration/rule will not be workable; it'll likely be bad for ED nurses, for sure. This "angry man" does not represent the many officers who are beyond respectful in their interactions with nurses. I have seen nurses be flat-out wrong about something and the officers carefully defer until the issue could be cleared up. EDs and law enforcement need to be able to work together without (figuratively) everyone's hands being tied behind their backs.
I'm hoping this new rule is temporary for them. Having it as a temporary emergency rule/situation while things cool down a bit and a sensible policy can be worked out, may not be a bad idea in light of the incident in question. Wouldn't be surprised if they have a number of terrified and somewhat traumatized staff members on their hands.
Methinks she is a troll and not a nurse. Just my suspicions. The fact that she seems to think the nurse should be fired for doing her job correctly allows me to think that.
LOL how miserable do you have to be to troll a nursing forum? Like seriously who does that with their free time... Lol pathetic.
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