July 31 2017, guy fleeing police crosses median and slams into truck and dies. The truck catches fire severely burning the innocent driver, Mr. Gray, who was taken to SLC University. Police later showed up demanding to the UNCONSCIOUS innocent patient's blood. RN Alex shows them the policy requiring consent, arrest, or a warrant. Hospital administration back up RN Alex.
Police aggressively arrest RN Alex and removes her from the hospital. Officer body cam insanity released today:
In this video, the aggressive officer can be heard saying that he will ensure all the "transients" are brought to this hospitals ED since they won't cooperate after being told the administrators and privacy officer are on their way.
Original Crash (graphic):
Interesting note about Alex, she was a 2x Olympian, US Ski Team member, and national champion is Slalom and GS.
"The Salt Lake City detective who handcuffed and dragged a Utah nurse who refused to take blood from an unconscious patient has been fired from his part-time paramedic job.
Gold Cross Ambulance, an emergency response service, announced Tuesday that Payne has been fired effective immediately,â€"
Except that that kind of makes it seem as though the nurse was somehow at fault for this.
From the long version of the video it appears that's what Nurse Wubbels did, the U of U officer appeared to say that he was called there to prevent the SLC officer (Payne) from illegally drawing blood from the patient.
At work today I asked a police officer, who was accompanying an arrested person to the emergency room, what he thought of this case.
He said that he felt that both parties were wrong. He felt that the nurse should have complied with what the officer wanted, and then allowed the legal system to sort it out afterwards. He thought that the officer was out of line in how he went about his part of it. He said that he thought that the nurse became much too overly dramatic and should have been more cooperative.
One thing we both agreed on was that no matter who is at fault, because of the negative publicity the officer was toast. He also agreed that the officer was being very aggressive about obtaining the blood because of the hot pursuit, and the desire to protect the department legally
At work today I asked a police officer, who was accompanying an arrested person to the emergency room, what he thought of this case.
He said that he felt that both parties were wrong. He felt that the nurse should have complied with what the officer wanted, and then allowed the legal system to sort it out afterwards. He thought that the officer was out of line in how he went about his part of it. He said that he thought that the nurse became much too overly dramatic and should have been more cooperative.
But then the nurse could have been fired for violating hospital policy and state law, potentially sued by the patient, and faced BON disciplinary action.
He said that he felt that both parties were wrong. He felt that the nurse should have complied with what the officer wanted, and then allowed the legal system to sort it out afterwards. He thought that the officer was out of line in how he went about his part of it. He said that he thought that the nurse became much too overly dramatic and should have been more cooperative.
So he thought she should allow her patient to have his constitutional rights violated and be assaulted on top of that??? Please ask him how he thought that would get "all sorted out" AFTER the damage was done without consequences for the nurse? I'm not sure how that works.
So he thought she should allow her patient to have his constitutional rights violated and be assaulted on top of that??? Please ask him how he thought that would get "all sorted out" AFTER the damage was done without consequences for the nurse? I'm not sure how that works.
Or how you can undo the gross violation of the client's civil and legal rights after the fact? The client who, again, was apparently an innocent victim in all of this in the first place?
He said that he felt that both parties were wrong. He felt that the nurse should have complied with what the officer wanted, and then allowed the legal system to sort it out afterwards. He thought that the officer was out of line in how he went about his part of it. He said that he thought that the nurse became much too overly dramatic and should have been more cooperative.
Except that the basic situation was such that both parties were not wrong. ONE of them was. So his take was that the officer was out of line and the nurse should've been more cooperative.
This guy (Payne) has no excuse. Even civilians are told that ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking the law. This is mind-boggling that someone who is a trained phlebotomy officer does not know the law with regard to warrants and/or consent - and it's not some obscure law. It makes me incredulous that anyone can say both that the guy was clearly wrong and also critique a civilian's surprise reaction to the manner in which the officer initiated the "arrest."
There are (at least) 2 easy ways that this could've gone down peacefully:
1) Alex says, "fine, do whatever you want, the legal system can straighten it out"
2) The officer commences procedure for obtaining warrant (should take about 30 minutes)
In one of these the constitutional rights of an unconscious patient are violated. In the other they aren't. Period.
He said that he thought that the nurse became much too overly dramatic and should have been more cooperative.
Another thing to ask him is how does one respond to an angry, belligerent, overweight man who first takes a swing at you and then suddenly lunges at you and shoves you against a wall and then twists your arm behind you in a painful police hold designed to subdue a criminal while shoving you out a door, cuffing you and then shoving you across a driveway in such a manner that you can't walk straight and then yelling at you because of it?!!! Do you say "please sir may I have another?" SMDH.
Note: I'm really not aiming this at you Emergent...unless you agree with him. Then we'll talk.
You dont have the right to kill a cop. In that case, which was in the 1890's, the defendant was hit over the head and shot. What a bunch of crap. Yeah go ahead and kill a cop...they are already looking to make it a crime punishable with the death penalty. And I guarantee that most people, criminals included, would consider their arrest "unlawful".
Gary Mendoza
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UPDATE
"The Salt Lake City detective who handcuffed and dragged a Utah nurse who refused to take blood from an unconscious patient has been fired from his part-time paramedic job.
Gold Cross Ambulance, an emergency response service, announced Tuesday that Payne has been fired effective immediately,â€"
Utah detective who dragged nurse fired from paramedic job | Fox News