Valid Reasons To Not Get Vaccinated

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Whether you're in support of the COVID vaccine, against it,  or on the fence please use this particular thread to cite credible, evidence-based sources to share with everyone so we can engage in a discussion that revolves around LEARNING.  

I'll start:

The primary concerns I've shared with others have to do with how effective the vaccine is for those who have already been infected.  I've reviewed studies and reports in that regard.  There are medical professionals I've listened to that, in my personal opinion,  don't offer a definitive answer. 

Here are some links to 2 different, I'll start with just 2:

Cleveland Clinic Statement on Previous COVID-19 Infection Research

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination — Kentucky, May–June 2021

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2 hours ago, macawake said:

What you’re saying is 100% accurate. 
 

In my opinion that makes this thread titled ”valid reasons to not get vaccinated” an embarrassing eyesore on a nursing site. We know that people who are encouraging vaccine hesitancy are causing real harm to real people. 

There are only two valid reasons. Medical contraindications and not being eligible (due to age). 

The rest are just plain reasons individuals choose not to get vaccinated. Not valid reasons. Just reasons.

People can make that choice and they have that right, but if they try to convince themselves, or us, that the reason is valid they are just ill-informed and kidding themselves. 

 

I agree. This is embarassing.

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58 minutes ago, hherrn said:

Spectacularly ignorant.

two identical events, one in which everybody is masked, one in which nobody is masked.  Do you truly believe that transmission would be identical at each event?  

How on earth does a nurse claim that masks aren't protective during this pandemic not get fully called out by every professional nurse here.  

This thread is embarrassing.

 

Because  verbose, convoluted replies are exhausting and annoying at best.

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On 9/2/2021 at 5:05 PM, emtb2rn said:

Your initial question was: “what is a valid reason for someone who had covid to decline vaccination?”

After 65+ pages of back & forth, you have not answered that yourself other the the “it’s my choice” argument.

Based on recent posts of the OP that "any reason whatsoever that anyone gives for declining vaccination is valid," then what the heck is the purpose for this entire thread? Really, according to this logic, the OP believes ALL REASONS are valid. Period. So all this talk of wanting a "respectful and balanced discussion" was complete BS. OP has come clean after 50 or 60 pages to say outright that there is NO SUCH THING as a bad (or "invalid") reason to decline a vaccination because the simple act of refusal gives whatever thought process that lead to it complete legitimacy. 

I think the thread was posted in bad faith because as the OP has now admitted, there is and was from day 1 of this thread only ONE answer to his question-that being that "all reasons are valid." 

 

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8 minutes ago, Horseshoe said:

Based on recent posts of the OP that "any reason whatsoever that anyone gives for declining vaccination is valid," then what the heck is the purpose for this entire thread? Really, according to this logic, the OP believes ALL REASONS are valid. Period. So all this talk of wanting a "respectful and balanced discussion" was complete BS. OP has come clean after 50 or 60 pages to say outright that there is NO SUCH THING as a bad (or "invalid") reason to decline a vaccination because the simple act of refusal gives whatever thought process that lead to it complete legitimacy. 

I think the thread was posted in bad faith because as the OP has now admitted, there is and was from day 1 of this thread only ONE answer to his question-that being that "all reasons are valid." 

 

Weeeeell ...the OP doesn't own the conversation. Let's keep a little perspective. I've always looked at OPs as conversation starters. What people do with it is kind of... Up to them? I've seen this thread go into politics, personal beliefs, ethics and so on. It doesn't have to strictly sick to the topic. That's my $.02.

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42 minutes ago, Horseshoe said:

Based on recent posts of the OP that "any reason whatsoever that anyone gives for declining vaccination is valid," then what the heck is the purpose for this entire thread? Really, according to this logic, the OP believes ALL REASONS are valid. Period. So all this talk of wanting a "respectful and balanced discussion" was complete BS. OP has come clean after 50 or 60 pages to say outright that there is NO SUCH THING as a bad (or "invalid") reason to decline a vaccination because the simple act of refusal gives whatever thought process that lead to it complete legitimacy. 

I think the thread was posted in bad faith because as the OP has now admitted, there is and was from day 1 of this thread only ONE answer to his question-that being that "all reasons are valid." 

 

I am given the impression either you just want to fight or are doing a poor job of reading.  Additionally, the tone of your quote is outright presumptive, hostile, and inaccurate. That attitude is part of the problem.  Those with an attitude like the one displayed in your message, is representative of people on moral high horses displaying intolerance towards anyone with a diferent perspective and unwilling to listen learn, and understand.  

I specified exactly what I considered a valid reason, stated people are free to disagree,  and stated validity is subjective.  You  quoted me saying things I did not say and I guarantee you can't quote me saying it.  You and a couple others here do that regularly but every time you're challenged to quote me..... crickets. 

Git on with that Horseshoe.  Get it right. 

 

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14 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

I am given the impression either you just want to fight or are doing a poor job of reading.  Additionally, the tone of your quote is outright presumptive, hostile, and inaccurate. That attitude is part of the problem.  Those with an attitude like the one displayed in your message, is representative of people on moral high horses displaying intolerance towards anyone with a diferent perspective and unwilling to listen learn, and understand.  

I specified exactly what I considered a valid reason, stated people are free to disagree,  and stated validity is subjective.  You  quoted me saying things I did not say and I guarantee you can't quote me saying it.  You and a couple others here do that regularly but every time you're challenged to quote me..... crickets. 

Git on with that Horseshoe.  Get it right. 

 

You don't intimidate me. Your thread was disingenuous from the start. 

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23 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

I am given the impression either you just want to fight or are doing a poor job of reading.  Additionally, the tone of your quote is outright presumptive, hostile, and inaccurate. That attitude is part of the problem.  Those with an attitude like the one displayed in your message, is representative of people on moral high horses displaying intolerance towards anyone with a diferent perspective and unwilling to listen learn, and understand.  

I specified exactly what I considered a valid reason, stated people are free to disagree,  and stated validity is subjective.  You  quoted me saying things I did not say and I guarantee you can't quote me saying it.  You and a couple others here do that regularly but every time you're challenged to quote me..... crickets. 

Git on with that Horseshoe.  Get it right. 

 

Pot? Kettle? Anything ring bells?

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1 hour ago, SmilingBluEyes said:

Pot? Kettle? Anything ring bells?

Negative.  I don't talk crap to or about people for wanting the vaccine.  

I will call out people for their intolerance, bullying, and disrespect.  There's been a couple people who made insults toward posters I've argued with here. I call those people out too.

No bells ringing my dear.  

1 hour ago, Horseshoe said:

You don't intimidate me. Your thread was disingenuous from the start. 

Who said anything about intimidating you? That sounds self revealing ?

Bye Horseshoe 

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1 hour ago, Horseshoe said:

You don't intimidate me. Your thread was disingenuous from the start. 

Disingenuous!  Wonderful example of the strict meaning of the word.  JT is simply a pot stirrer but can only make stone soup.

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4 hours ago, hherrn said:

Spectacularly ignorant.

two identical events, one in which everybody is masked, one in which nobody is masked.  Do you truly believe that transmission would be identical at each event?  

How on earth does a nurse claim that masks aren't protective during this pandemic not get fully called out by every professional nurse here.  

This thread is embarrassing.

 

We have, over and over and endlessly over, along with all the other bogus claims. We get chastised for being judgmental, arrogant bullies. Then a whole new poster - either a new member or one who hasn’t posted in a coon’s age - comes around and posts the same already-debunked claims all over again.

3 hours ago, SmilingBluEyes said:

Because  verbose, convoluted replies are exhausting and annoying at best.

This, too.

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23 hours ago, jive turkey said:

1.I answered you already why do you keep asking me that?

I said I have CONCERNS.  An individual needs to decide if it's beneficial for them or not after talking to their doctor and getting informed on their own.

2.  It didn't make sense for you to copy and paste the definition of suggestion unless you needed to know the difference between suggestion and concern.

What I suggested was people talk to their doctor, do research and make an informed decision.  

I said I have CONCERNS how effective it would be for the previously infected.  Understand?

3. I said they've gone back n forth about instructions.  You remember their mask instructions? 

You proposed that previous infection was a valid reason not to get vaccinated, and proposed you had evidence to support that, yet your evidence did not support and in some cases directly contradicted your claim.

You've been asked to clarify if you're suggesting that vaccination may not be beneficial for those previously infected regardless of how long ago their previous infection occurred, but declined.  That would go along ways to helping your suggestion to be less reckless, since according to the evidence there is good reason to believe those previously infected are well protected for a few months, maybe more.  But even the evidence you presented shows significantly decreased protection at less than 4 months.

I included the definition of "suggestion" because I thought it possible you might argue that "an idea put forward for consideration" is not a suggestion.  The OED disagrees.

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1 hour ago, MunoRN said:

You proposed that previous infection was a valid reason not to get vaccinated, and

Honestly bro, I stopped reading before the 1st sentence was over.   I've explained my perspective on validity and our ability to disagree on it. 

Muno as far as you're concerned there is no valid reason.  That's OK. 

I don't get the feeling you're trying to understand. I get the feeling you're trying to be right and prove me wrong.  

Let it go already.  I have a reason I consider valid. You don't.  End of story. 

Nite nite.

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