Valid Reasons To Not Get Vaccinated

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Whether you're in support of the COVID vaccine, against it,  or on the fence please use this particular thread to cite credible, evidence-based sources to share with everyone so we can engage in a discussion that revolves around LEARNING.  

I'll start:

The primary concerns I've shared with others have to do with how effective the vaccine is for those who have already been infected.  I've reviewed studies and reports in that regard.  There are medical professionals I've listened to that, in my personal opinion,  don't offer a definitive answer. 

Here are some links to 2 different, I'll start with just 2:

Cleveland Clinic Statement on Previous COVID-19 Infection Research

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination — Kentucky, May–June 2021

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6 hours ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

I'm sure you've done this before? You chart what you did and notify the physician, then return the med to the pyxis. So yeah, pretty much. I guess, as CNA, if a pt refuses a bath at night or maybe a finger stick or viral signs (maybe they grumpy and want to be left alone), you would notify the nurse and go to the next pt. Works the same with everything.

I don't let a resident goes without showers for weeks or months. I reported to nurses and charge nurse. They said, "It's a patient right to refuse...Get a paper and have it sign and chart it." I muttered it was an infection issue. One of them said that I was only a  CNA and shouldn't question what's going on in there.   I asked what was the BON or state say or the family members having their loved one smelling the stinkers. It was a rehab, not an LTC. We had people with fresh surgeries. That facility was cited for multiple violations r/t infections. 

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1 hour ago, MunoRN said:

1.You're saying you suggested vaccination may not be beneficial for those previously infected, but then also saying you didn't suggest that?

The CDC has never "gone back and forth" on whether those previously infected should get vaccinated.

2.sug·ges·tion

/sə(ɡ)ˈjesCH(ə)n/

noun

an idea or plan put forward for consideration.

3.The CDC has never "gone back and forth" on whether those previously infected should get vaccinated.

1.I answered you already why do you keep asking me that?

I said I have CONCERNS.  An individual needs to decide if it's beneficial for them or not after talking to their doctor and getting informed on their own.

2.  It didn't make sense for you to copy and paste the definition of suggestion unless you needed to know the difference between suggestion and concern.

What I suggested was people talk to their doctor, do research and make an informed decision.  

I said I have CONCERNS how effective it would be for the previously infected.  Understand?

3. I said they've gone back n forth about instructions.  You remember their mask instructions? 

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32 minutes ago, Honyebee said:

I don't let a resident goes without showers for weeks or months. I reported to nurses and charge nurse. They said, "It's a patient right to refuse...Get a paper and have it sign and chart it." I muttered it was an infection issue. One of them said that I was only a  CNA and shouldn't question what's going on in there.   I asked what was the BON or state say or the family members having their loved one smelling the stinkers. It was a rehab, not an LTC. We had people with fresh surgeries. That facility was cited for multiple violations r/t infections. 

I've worked rehab as well. And you are right, it is an infection issue depending on how bad it was and how dependant the pt is (I'll have to take your word for it). Different people have different preferences and tolerances. In your case, if I really thought it was bad I'd take it to the nurse manager. Sometimes they can be a better head in those situations (and honestly, often times nurses just don't want to "deal"with a situation unfortunately)

I'm sorry they treated you that way. They were wrong. You should question and you did and I give full credit for being concerned. I wish we worked more as a team. Way too much ego in nursing. But they are also right. Pts always have final say. If it's bad enough a physician can step in to try and reason (sometimes that white coat is good for something. LOL. End of the day they can always report it to insurance that the pt is not participating and he'll lose his spot in rehab. 

It sounds like the facility is a problem. I do not doubt it. I've been in some bad ones as well. Best thing to do is do your best with what you have to work with and cover your butt in the chart. That's really all you can do sometimes.

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12 hours ago, jive turkey said:

The idea somebody would see a thread in a forum written by an anonymous person called jive turkey was the sole reason they don't take a vaccine is bananas. 

Outstanding.

Essentially, the Tucker Carlson Defense. "Tucker Carlson Successfully Argues Nobody Really Believes Tucker Carlson Is Reporting Facts"

Fox News argued that any reasonable person would know that Carlson was bloviating.  They didn't use the term- the judge did when he agreed with their argument.

Any reasonable person following this thread, and the others you have taken over, would see that you have kept a topic alive, with no obligation to present a really sound argument.  Your "talk with your provider" disclaimer not withstanding, it is unclear whether you don't understand, or simply don't care, how narratives like this help drive this pandemic and perpetuate harm.

Unfortunately, the "reasonable person" standard does not apply here.  Reasonable people don't take medical advice from politicians over doctors, and they sure as hell don't go to the feed store and buy Ivermectin.

This nonsense does not sway reasonable people, but it does cause serious harm.

 

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I remember reading somewhere once that ' rational people will always have a hard time understanding irrational people' 

And, I am seriously beginning to believe it! 

Too many variables operate in the background of irrational people to make logical assumptions about their behaviors! 

I think a lot of it is psychological trauma, causing resentments that are only relieved through selfishness, and that the world revolves around them! It's always about what's happening to them and blaming others for their actions, instead of introspection and getting insight. 

That limited perspective doesn't allow any room for consideration of anyone but themselves. Few people like them because of their behaviors, forcing selective relationships in groups that are equally dysfunctional! 

It's why the behaviors are called irrational! 

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18 hours ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

And there is plenty of that. But my question was who is to blame for the mistrust of the medical community. If the medical community appears in lock step with the government who is clearly politicising the pandemic, instituting lock downs, destroying the economy, and appears to many to be taking advantage of the situation for political power (and they do appear that way), those who mistrust the government will mistrust the medical community.

Those in the medical community who dismiss valid concerns (such as auto immune response, bells palsy, and endocarditis), who claim masks are protective (they aren't. They simply limit how far a cough can travel, they clearly do not stop aerosals in or out), and limit any discussion to what government agency talking points say, THOSE people are driving the hesitant to look for someone who takes them seriously. Unfortunately it is the grifters like Alex jones. 

I'm hesitant but I'll likely be taking the vaccine in about a month (and I'll probably only take one shot as I do not trust this vaccine. I don't like making my cells the target of my own immune system). Had to dig and convince myself in spite of the horribly dismissive tone I constantly hear. The average lay person will not dig. They will make a decision based on who they think is on their side. We MUST stop this dismissive attitude. 

How do you conduct experiments without taking risks?  Everything is a risk. Foods give you life, but they have side effects if you consume  a lot, your metabolism is inefficient, or any biological problems that cause malnutrition. Weight gain, (weight loss is very rare), and excessive salt and fats are side effects of eating excessive foods more than the body can utilize. That little organ in the head needs to be controlled not to be pleasured. That's why we'e taught about moderation and exercise.

Wait for the vaccines that make you feel safer. Nothing wrong with that. 

 

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19 minutes ago, Honyebee said:

Wait for the vaccines that make you feel safer. Nothing wrong with that.

I agree.  People can wait if they have concerns which cannot be alleviated with currently available evidence and data.  It is best if they don't spend a bunch of time publishing those concerns for the reading pleasure of lay people who might take those concerns from a nurse as somehow good reason to choose to remain unvaccinated themselves.

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On 9/2/2021 at 4:37 AM, MunoRN said:

What you've been suggesting (it's the title you gave to your thread) is that there are valid reasons to not get vaccinated, one of which being a previous infection.  The patients I care for who could have avoided their situation, and in many cases their death, repeat similar theories as to why they didn't get vaccinated.  Spreading these ideas has consequences, regardless of how much you would like to think they don't.

What you’re saying is 100% accurate. 
 

In my opinion that makes this thread titled ”valid reasons to not get vaccinated” an embarrassing eyesore on a nursing site. We know that people who are encouraging vaccine hesitancy are causing real harm to real people. 

There are only two valid reasons. Medical contraindications and not being eligible (due to age). 

The rest are just plain reasons individuals choose not to get vaccinated. Not valid reasons. Just reasons.

People can make that choice and they have that right, but if they try to convince themselves, or us, that the reason is valid they are just ill-informed and kidding themselves. 

 

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22 hours ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

who claim masks are protective (they aren't. They simply limit how far a cough can travel, they clearly do not stop aerosals in or out),

Spectacularly ignorant.

two identical events, one in which everybody is masked, one in which nobody is masked.  Do you truly believe that transmission would be identical at each event?  

How on earth does a nurse claim that masks aren't protective during this pandemic not get fully called out by every professional nurse here.  

This thread is embarrassing.

 

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5 minutes ago, hherrn said:

Spectacularly ignorant.

two identical events, one in which everybody is masked, one in which nobody is masked.  Do you truly believe that transmission would be identical at each event?  

How on earth does a nurse claim that masks aren't protective during this pandemic not get fully called out by every professional nurse here.  

This thread is embarrassing.

 

Calling him/her out just leads to more ridiculous rhetoric.  The claim is that push back is responsible for people doubling down on their poorly informed beliefs...

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3 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Calling him/her out just leads to more ridiculous rhetoric.  The claim is that push back is responsible for people doubling down on their poorly informed beliefs...

These are beliefs, much like religion.  Evidence and science is irrelevant in both cases.  The past 68 pages have given a few posters a soap box to spout nonsense.  

On the plus side, I highly doubt anybody reading this is swayed.  But when it is public knowledge that nurses, who are considered trustworthy by the general public, perpetuate the misinformation that is killing so many, it strengthens the political movement invested in perpetuating the pandemic.   

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22 hours ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

And there is plenty of that. But my question was who is to blame for the mistrust of the medical community.

 

Well when we can't all ever agree to listen to the science and encourage and get vaccinations, who can blame them?!

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