Valid Reasons To Not Get Vaccinated

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Whether you're in support of the COVID vaccine, against it,  or on the fence please use this particular thread to cite credible, evidence-based sources to share with everyone so we can engage in a discussion that revolves around LEARNING.  

I'll start:

The primary concerns I've shared with others have to do with how effective the vaccine is for those who have already been infected.  I've reviewed studies and reports in that regard.  There are medical professionals I've listened to that, in my personal opinion,  don't offer a definitive answer. 

Here are some links to 2 different, I'll start with just 2:

Cleveland Clinic Statement on Previous COVID-19 Infection Research

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination — Kentucky, May–June 2021

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Just now, 10GaugeNeedles said:

In the history of vaccines, please show us an example of this new mrna tech being used on a large human population. 

We have nearly two years of data and about 5 billion doses.

There is no mechanism, even a hypothetical one, in which an mRNA vaccine could suddenly cause adverse effects months to years down the road.

Now your turn, go ahead and answer.... 

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7 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

1.Eennnnnnnttt! Wrong. 

Being understanding of a previously infected person not vaccinating is NOT the same as suggestion one should or not.  Quote me saying people shouldn't.  Bet cha can't! 

You keep twisting my words but when I call you out to quote me, you can't. 

2. Negative. You keep using "the science" as your answer.  Science shows reinfection is rare.  Showed you about 5 or 6 studies to confirm that.  Its understandable if someone decides for themselves "the science" doesn't give them good enough reason to take it. You're free to disagree. You don't get to decide what's valid for somebody.  "The science" on this issue is not conclusive in all respects.

P.s. the use of the phrases "You're conflating" and "the science" is getting awfully cliche in this thread.  It sounds like a crutch for weak arguments

 

Are you really saying you haven't suggested that there may be no benefit in vaccinations to those with previous infection?  You just suggested that again in this post.  

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They have this if there are no other reasons to get vaccinated.

 

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2 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

 

Effectiveness after one dose of vaccine (BNT162b2 or ChAdOx1 nCoV-19) was notably lower among persons with the delta variant (30.7%; 95% confidence interval [CI], 25.2 to 35.7) than among those with the alpha variant (48.7%; 95% CI, 45.5 to 51.7); the results were similar for both vaccines. With the BNT162b2 vaccine, the effectiveness of two doses was 93.7% (95% CI, 91.6 to 95.3) among persons with the alpha variant and 88.0% (95% CI, 85.3 to 90.1) among those with the delta variant. With the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine, the effectiveness of two doses was 74.5% (95% CI, 68.4 to 79.4) among persons with the alpha variant and 67.0% (95% CI, 61.3 to 71.8) among those with the delta variant.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2108891

-still effective but significantly lower. 

With the BNT162b2 vaccine, the effectiveness of two doses was 93.7% (95% CI, 91.6 to 95.3) among persons with the alpha variant and 88.0% (95% CI, 85.3 to 90.1) among those with the delta variant.

The source I requested was one that showed 40% efficacy. This shows more than double that. And I don't think anyone would argue that 88% efficacy isn't outstanding. 

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6 minutes ago, BostonFNP said:

You keep goin back to this argument, yet this not what the thread is about, and it's not what most people are discussing. We get that is your situation and it seems to be all you are able to comprehend, but there is still 100 million people in this country that have no immunity. 

I keep going back to it because no matter how many times I spell it out for you and other contrarions, you guys twist what I say in to something else. 

That's what YOU fail to comprehend. 

You're trying to group me in with hard core anti vaxxers. Dead wrong

I get the feeling you guys put up a fight with anyone that doesn't side with you on everyone universally  taking or being mandated to have the vaccine minus those it is contraindicated for. 

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People aren't going to trust healthcare workers with this behavior.

Health care workers sold or bought fake covid vaccine cards.

Freewill is for people who do the right thing regardless. Not this type of people. 

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55 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

And who is to blame for their distrust of the medical community?

Purveyors of alternative facts & misinformation perhaps? 

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6 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

Are you really saying you haven't suggested that there may be no benefit in vaccinations to those with previous infection?  You just suggested that again in this post.  

In verbatim I said:

The primary concerns I've shared with others have to do with how effective the vaccine is for those who have already been infected

having concerns is not the same as making a suggestion.  

If you need further clarification I'll be glad to provide it. 

1 minute ago, emtb2rn said:

Purveyors of alternative facts & misinformation perhaps? 

Absolutely, along with a government and CDC that goes back and forth with their information and instructions coupled with mandating a new drug. Add the hard core pro vaxxers being pushy about it

There's no one side at fault.  

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Just now, jive turkey said:

I keep going back to it because no matter how many times I spell it out for you and other contrarions, you guys twist what I say in to something else. 

That's what YOU fail to comprehend. 

You're trying to group me in with hard core anti vaxxers. Dead wrong

I get the feeling you guys put up a fight with anyone that doesn't side with you on everyone universally  taking or being mandated to have the vaccine minus those it is contraindicated for. 

Thank you for highlighting, again, that you only seem to be able to discuss how this effects your situation and your defensive response. 

You created a thread called "valid reasons not to vaccinate". It's about much more than vaccinated those with prior immunity. It shows up on Google searches for those people looking for excuses. You have personally been quoted as a reason not to vaccinated regardless of immunity status. This is about more than just you and your situation. It is reckless and a professional would take responsibility for that. 

For the record, I have written two medical exemption letters for healthcare providers with natural immunity facing termination for not having a vaccination. I don't disagree entirely that prior antibody positive individuals should be subject to a blanket mandate. But I do believe that much of what is being posted here is dangerous and reckless. 

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3 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

I keep going back to it because no matter how many times I spell it out for you and other contrarions, you guys twist what I say in to something else. 

That's what YOU fail to comprehend. 

You're trying to group me in with hard core anti vaxxers. Dead wrong

I get the feeling you guys put up a fight with anyone that doesn't side with you on everyone universally  taking or being mandated to have the vaccine minus those it is contraindicated for. 

Your initial question was: “what is a valid reason for someone who had covid to decline vaccination?”

After 65+ pages of back & forth, you have not answered that yourself other the the “it’s my choice” argument. Those who disagree with that have pointed this out over & over. The thread has descended into snark & name calling. Sad. 

Anyway, here’s a report that popped up on med-pub earlier this year when vaccines were first rolling out for the general public. Thoughts? To me, the implication is that vaccination would be helpful even though the pt already had covid  

”Conclusions: Prior infection in patients with COVID-19 was highly protective against reinfection and symptomatic disease. This protection increased over time, suggesting that viral shedding or ongoing immune response may persist beyond 90 days and may not represent true reinfection. As vaccine supply is limited, patients with known history of COVID-19 could delay early vaccination to allow for the most vulnerable to access the vaccine and slow transmission.”

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33718968/
 

And another one here:

”The study results suggest that reinfections are rare events and patients who have recovered from COVID-19 have a lower risk of reinfection. Natural immunity to SARS-CoV-2 appears to confer a protective effect for at least a year, which is similar to the protection reported in recent vaccine studies. However, the observation ended before SARS-CoV-2 variants began to spread, and it is unknown how well natural immunity to the wild-type virus will protect against variants.”

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2780557

 

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5 minutes ago, BostonFNP said:

Thank you for highlighting, again, that you only seem to be able to discuss how this effects your situation and your defensive response. 

You created a thread called "valid reasons not to vaccinate". It's about much more than vaccinated those with prior immunity. It shows up on Google searches for those people looking for excuses. You have personally been quoted as a reason not to vaccinated regardless of immunity status. This is about more than just you and your situation. It is reckless and a professional would take responsibility for that. 

For the record, I have written two medical exemption letters for healthcare providers with natural immunity facing termination for not having a vaccination. I don't disagree entirely that prior antibody positive individuals should be subject to a blanket mandate. But I do believe that much of what is being posted here is dangerous and reckless. 

BULL!

People aren't as stupid as you make them out to be.  If they did a Google search and found a thread called "valid reasons...." they would find 60+ pages of people like you making a case to take the vaccine and they would also see where I said 900 times TALK TO YOUR PROVIDER.

The idea somebody would see a thread in a forum written by an anonymous person called jive turkey was the sole reason they don't take a vaccine is bananas. 

You gave an exemption for previously infected health care workers! You basically agree with me but You're putting up a big *** fight.  Why?

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7 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

BULL!

People aren't as stupid as you make them out to be.  If they did a Google search and found a thread called "valid reasons...." they would find 60+ pages of people like you making a case to take the vaccine and they would also see where I said 900 times TALK TO YOUR PROVIDER.

 The idea somebody would see a thread in a forum written by an anonymous person called jive turkey was the sole reason they don't take a vaccine is bananas. 

 You gave an exemption for previously infected health care workers! You basically agree with me but You're putting up a big *** fight.  Why?

Sometimes they seem to be...

Again, your entire response is about you. You keep kicking the can down the road to someone else; why don't you clearly state right here right now that if you are not antibody positive you should get vaccinated?

Plus I thought using "BULL" was inflammatory language.

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