Valid Reasons To Not Get Vaccinated

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Whether you're in support of the COVID vaccine, against it,  or on the fence please use this particular thread to cite credible, evidence-based sources to share with everyone so we can engage in a discussion that revolves around LEARNING.  

I'll start:

The primary concerns I've shared with others have to do with how effective the vaccine is for those who have already been infected.  I've reviewed studies and reports in that regard.  There are medical professionals I've listened to that, in my personal opinion,  don't offer a definitive answer. 

Here are some links to 2 different, I'll start with just 2:

Cleveland Clinic Statement on Previous COVID-19 Infection Research

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination — Kentucky, May–June 2021

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8 minutes ago, Curious1997 said:

So what are you worried about re the govt following you for? 

I usually take the battery out of my cell phone and make a foil hat and I wrap my body in copper and so far they haven't caught up with me. 

Maybe you can try that?

I'm also working on an invisible formula using a tequila glaze, I'll let you know when it's done. Oh wait, I forgot. Tequila... Mexican. Don't worry, I'll see if I can get some American tequila ????? Andale', Andale' 

I don't use a cell phone. They track you and it never worked in my bunker anyways. You'd be surprised by how much interference can come from a massive pile of canned goods. But when all you shlubs are starving during nuclear Winter and zombie attacks, I'll be sitting happy and fat covered in beans and creamed corn! Ha ha ha!

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47 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

I don't use a cell phone. They track you and it never worked in my bunker anyways. You'd be surprised by how much interference can come from a massive pile of canned goods. But when all you shlubs are starving during nuclear Winter and zombie attacks, I'll be sitting happy and fat covered in beans and creamed corn! Ha ha ha!

Just don't be smoking with all the beans, naked flame and all that, you might burn your bum and the creamed corn would come in useful ?????

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1 minute ago, Curious1997 said:

Just don't be smoking with all the beans, naked flame and all that, you might burn your bum and the creamed corn would come in useful ?????

You're from England aren't you? ?. Only place I know that says "bum". But YES, I have "holistic" fire extinguishers. They have the same chemicals as other fire extinguishers but have been diluted down to where the only thing thats left is water. ?

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4 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

You're from England aren't you? ?. Only place I know that says "bum". But YES, I have "holistic" fire extinguishers. They have the same chemicals as other fire extinguishers but have been diluted down to where the only thing thats left is water. ?

My parents are English and I was educated there for a while, I also hold a British passport, so I guess I pick up their slangs sometimes. 

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1 minute ago, Curious1997 said:

My parents are English and I was educated there for a while, I also hold a British passport, so I guess I pick up their slangs sometimes. 

Duel citizenship must be nice. Especially with having the NHS as an option.

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3 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

Duel citizenship must be nice. Especially with having the NHS as an option.

It is. My dad is actually half Danish and half Swedish, but born in England, so I actually also have Danish citizenship. My mum is half Irish and half Scottish but also born in the UK. Big time, mutt. 

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LOL. "Mutt". It's all white. In The United States, we don't have much of a unifying culture anymore. My parents are like some Italian, English,. Native american, and like, Spanish I guess? It'd be nice to have direct info but, most of my relatives descend from drug addicts. LOL. 

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People can do what they want of course, but it's clear that this thread is actually just a bully pulpit and serves no purpose other than to feed an insatiable need for attention and circular debate. Be on notice that when the OP asks "who is the observer that gets to decide the validity of a choice another person makes for themselves," the implication is that no one does. Meaning that personal choice, no matter if it is founded on belief of conspiracy or misinformation, or emotions, or irrational fear, is valid in and of itself. 

If that is the case, there can be no argument there is such a thing as a "not valid" reason for refusing a vaccine.

People who continue to feed into the circular argument that is this thread are simply wandering around in a maze that actually has no exit and was designed that way from the get go. 

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9 hours ago, Curious1997 said:

So using Texas abortion law as precedent Maryland is allowing citizens to sue anyone who doesn't take the covid vaccine or seen not wearing a mask or for looking orange with an orangutan type comb over that looks like a Fox's tail ?. Also all travel to Mexico is banned if it's because of an electrical blackout from any type of storm! Turtle necks are allowed, unless you are from Kentucky. 

Interesting perspective for such a "freedom'loving" state to take.  We're into Stasi territory here with pissed off teenagers turning in their parents.

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1 minute ago, subee said:

Interesting perspective for such a "freedom'loving" state to take.  We're into Stasi territory here with pissed off teenagers turning in their parents.

Yeah texas is not what they make it out to be in the media. 

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Just now, 10GaugeNeedles said:

Yeah texas is not what they make it out to be in the media. 

I've been there. Living there would be like being in prison for me.  Houston is hell with humidity:)  Everywhere else is just hot and they elected Abbott for governor.  Nope, couldn't do it and I wish we could give it back to Mexico.  And as long as we were doing that, I'd give Florida back to Spain:)

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10 hours ago, jive turkey said:

Exactly. You couldn't do it!

Nothing you said is accurate and you can't even quote me saying it! ???????Quit making stuff up bro!

 

I expressly said, more than once,   everyone talk to their doctor. Previously infected too. 

If you want to be right, go ahead. We are going in circles and you're making up things that I didn't say or imply.  

Here you go: ?

 

Some people have lives and can't go through a 70+ page thread to look for crazy talk.  It is impossible for everyone to see their doctor for the vaccine discussion.  We have 1 primary care provider for about every 2,500 people.  How is that supposed to happen.  Most of the vaccinated people didn't see a doctor - they drove in line.  And NOTHING BAD HAPPENED except they didn't have to get admitted to a hospital (except very rarely) when they got Covid.  Previously infected people do not have to go to their doctor if they are able to read.

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