Valid Reasons To Not Get Vaccinated

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Whether you're in support of the COVID vaccine, against it,  or on the fence please use this particular thread to cite credible, evidence-based sources to share with everyone so we can engage in a discussion that revolves around LEARNING.  

I'll start:

The primary concerns I've shared with others have to do with how effective the vaccine is for those who have already been infected.  I've reviewed studies and reports in that regard.  There are medical professionals I've listened to that, in my personal opinion,  don't offer a definitive answer. 

Here are some links to 2 different, I'll start with just 2:

Cleveland Clinic Statement on Previous COVID-19 Infection Research

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination — Kentucky, May–June 2021

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1 hour ago, emtb2rn said:

JT, do you fancy yourself as the shepherd or the tyranny of evil men? Just wondering, given your avatar. And do you know what your handle means?

What the h** does any of that have to do with COVID vaccination?

Don't pretend to be interested to know the answers to that.

Come back when you can stay on topic

 

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26 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

What the h** does any of that have to do with COVID vaccination?

Don't pretend to be interested to know the answers to that.

Come back when you can stay on topic

 

Wouldn’t be the first time that a poster trying to pass as American outed themselves by their misunderstanding of American idiom.

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1 hour ago, nuanced said:

I'd interpret that as proof that these vaccines are not good for people who are already at risk, but that's just my interpretation. The fact remains that there were more vaccinated people who died. Why is that not worth discussing? 

Do you want to discuss it? 

Maybe it's proof that the Delta variant is much more contagious and deadly for the vulnerable and that unvaccinated spreaders are increasing the risk for all people by creating reservoirs for viral replication and variant development.  That's another interpretation, right? 

In this country, right now, what type of covid patient is overwhelming our acute care facilities? Is it vaccinated patients? Is it people who have had significant adverse effect to the vaccines? 

There's an interesting phenomenon that occurs when regions experience high vaccine uptake but remain in high community spread pandemic status. There comes a time when the rate of infection of vaccinated folks rises...until either herd immunity is achieved and viral load in the community is reduced overall ... or...the covid succeeds in mutating past the vaccine.  We're headed toward helping the virus defeat the vaccine by volunteering millions of bodies for uncontrolled replicating and spread in this country. 

No one has claimed that the vaccines are 100% effective in preventing infection, illness or death.  They are proven to decrease the incidence of those things which is what we need.  The alternative to vaccination is what? Just let the virus do its thing? Send kids to school with no mitigation or vaccines?

 

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16 hours ago, Curious1997 said:

Mr Anti Vax dead from Covid!

Seems like a huge mistake to lose your life over getting a vaccine or using a mask? 

Guess that's what free choice is all about? 

Wonder if he's decided prior, which one of the imported morgue trucks he'll be in? Bet you it's a red one? 

No sympathy whatsoever, because with his platform, who knows how many people he murdered! 

Pride and fragile ego were more important but was his choice. I hope people he left behind who love him are alright and get through their loss and this difficult times.

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"New Zealand reports death linked to Pfizer vaccine."

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/new-zealand-reports-death-woman-after-pfizer-covid-vaccine-2021-08-30/

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Just now, 10GaugeNeedles said:

"New Zealand reports death linked to Pfizer vaccine."

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/new-zealand-reports-death-woman-after-pfizer-covid-vaccine-2021-08-30/

More disinformation, only pro vaccine information is valid.

25 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Do you want to discuss it? 

Maybe it's proof that the Delta variant is much more contagious and deadly for the vulnerable and that unvaccinated spreaders are increasing the risk for all people by creating reservoirs for viral replication and variant development.  That's another interpretation, right? 

In this country, right now, what type of covid patient is overwhelming our acute care facilities? Is it vaccinated patients? Is it people who have had significant adverse effect to the vaccines? 

There's an interesting phenomenon that occurs when regions experience high vaccine uptake but remain in high community spread pandemic status. There comes a time when the rate of infection of vaccinated folks rises...until either herd immunity is achieved and viral load in the community is reduced overall ... or...the covid succeeds in mutating past the vaccine.  We're headed toward helping the virus defeat the vaccine by volunteering millions of bodies for uncontrolled replicating and spread in this country. 

No one has claimed that the vaccines are 100% effective in preventing infection, illness or death.  They are proven to decrease the incidence of those things which is what we need.  The alternative to vaccination is what? Just let the virus do its thing? Send kids to school with no mitigation or vaccines?

 

Or how about letting people make the choice for themselves like they've always done?

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5 minutes ago, nuanced said:

More disinformation, only pro vaccine information is valid.

Or how about letting people make the choice for themselves like they've always done?

It sounds like you don't know what disinformation is. 

Disinformation definition

"false information deliberately and often covertly spread (as by the planting of rumors) in order to influence public opinion or obscure the truth"

How many people who have been infected with covid have experienced cardiac problems that have resulted in hospitalization or death? Is it vaccine side effects or covid infection in the unvaccinated that is taxing our health system?

Are you under some impression that you don't get to decide for yourself about vaccination? Do you think that others don't get to decide for themselves? Where are these unwilling people being forcefully vaccinated without their consent?

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1 minute ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Are you under some impression that you don't get to decide for yourself about vaccination? Do you think that others don't get to decide for themselves? Where are these unwilling people being forcefully vaccinated without their consent?

"You're not being forced, you can just get fired." Give me a break.

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22 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

"New Zealand reports death linked to Pfizer vaccine."

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/new-zealand-reports-death-woman-after-pfizer-covid-vaccine-2021-08-30/

Any death is a tragic thing. 

“The board said the myocarditis "was probably due to vaccination", according to the ministry. The health ministry said other medical issues at the same time could have influenced the outcome after vaccination.”

There have been cases of myocarditis following vaccination at a rate of 3 per 100,000; these typically spontaneously resolve. Unfortunately, a severe case in a patient with comorbidity or delay in care could result in death. Myocarditis also occurs secondary to covid illness, at a rate of 11 per 100,000 cases. 

There have been 5.25 billion doses of covid vaccines given and this is one confirmed associated death. There have been 4.51 million deaths from covid illness. 
 

 

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A historical review of vaccination injury. 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4599698/

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5 minutes ago, BostonFNP said:

 

There have been 5.25 billion doses of covid vaccines given and this is one confirmed associated death. There have been 4.51 million deaths from covid illness. 
 

 

Right?? I mean, are you ***ing serious? *A* vaccine-associated death. Seriously?? What about the thousands upon thousands of people dying EVERY ***ing DAY from Covid??

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14 minutes ago, nuanced said:

"You're not being forced, you can just get fired." Give me a break.

That's right.  The employee gets to choose whether or not to follow the employer policies regarding vaccination.  That's been true for your entire working life. Apparently some people are really adamant about not participating in the mitigation of this pandemic and they are willing to sacrifice their employment for that cause.  So far, the vast majority of those people are taking that stance for reasons which are poorly sourced and unsupported by the scientific concensus or data. 

Why, do you think?

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