Valid Reasons To Not Get Vaccinated

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Whether you're in support of the COVID vaccine, against it,  or on the fence please use this particular thread to cite credible, evidence-based sources to share with everyone so we can engage in a discussion that revolves around LEARNING.  

I'll start:

The primary concerns I've shared with others have to do with how effective the vaccine is for those who have already been infected.  I've reviewed studies and reports in that regard.  There are medical professionals I've listened to that, in my personal opinion,  don't offer a definitive answer. 

Here are some links to 2 different, I'll start with just 2:

Cleveland Clinic Statement on Previous COVID-19 Infection Research

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination — Kentucky, May–June 2021

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1 hour ago, subee said:

You sound more like a Russian troll than an RN.  Of course rainbows don't come out of the butts of CEO's but you are more concerned with fomenting vaccine hesitancy by calling out any other irrelevant thing you can to boost your sometimes real and sometimes fake delusions.  The thread is "valid reasons not to get vaccine".  Operative word here is "valid".  And so far I'm still waiting for a valid reason.

Russian? Are we still obsessed with Russia? This is a forum for healthcare workers, mostly nurses. Why are you thinking about Russians when discussing this topic?

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12 minutes ago, nuanced said:

Russian? Are we still obsessed with Russia? This is a forum for healthcare workers, mostly nurses. Why are you thinking about Russians when discussing this topic?

I can only assume a Russian reference was made as an insult since I have blocked content from many posters.  Not everyone is here to have logical, educational debate.  Several are here to be rude and disrespectful.  One of the best things I did was put people on ignore.  Then they look silly when they continue with their remarks.

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48 minutes ago, nuanced said:

Russian? Are we still obsessed with Russia? This is a forum for healthcare workers, mostly nurses. Why are you thinking about Russians when discussing this topic?

Hi new member.

I don’t know how geopolitically savvy you are, but Russian Intelligence have for quite some time been doing their darndest to destabilize the west. This predates Trump by the way, in case you think it’s some kind of partisan fixation with the Russians. Putin did play Trump like a fiddle, but that’s for a different thread. The point is, Russian attempts to manipulate the west isn’t a recent phenomenon. A strong US, strong EU and strong NATO isn’t exactly something Putin thinks benefits him. Intelligence operations can be carried out in a number of different ways. The internet is a fertile ground for operations aimed at sowing discord. Sometimes they take a more hands-on approach, but at this point in time there are enough ”useful idiots” constantly at each other’s throats that all they have to do is fan the flames a bit. You guys are sadly sufficiently divided, that they no longer have to put in much of an effort. Who do you think benefits as the US rips itself apart? 

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31 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

I can only assume a Russian reference was made as an insult since I have blocked content from many posters.  Not everyone is here to have logical, educational debate.  Several are here to be rude and disrespectful.  One of the best things I did was put people on ignore.  Then they look silly when they continue with their remarks.


I don’t think that it was intended as an insult as much as it was meant to convey that your posts aren’t very constructive in nature and that you are actually the source of a lot of the disharmony and acrimony present in your threads since you don’t appear to have an honest desire to discuss actual facts. You also spend an inordinate amount of time and energy on arguing and complaining about how mean posters are. Any more of it and I’ll have to borrow Curious’ violins ? It’s still a bit of a mystery what your objective even is with this thread. Forty-two pages in and you have yet to declare what you consider ”valid reasons” to not vaccinate. Could you list them? My answer is easy; medical contraindications. Yours appear to be shrouded in an opaque, convoluted veil ?
 

You still haven’t figured out why I was the one who suggested that you block/ignore my posts, have you? But I’m glad you’re glad ??

As I think most posters understand, I don’t write my replies to you for you. They’re for everyone else. 

 

 

 

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42 minutes ago, nuanced said:

Russian? Are we still obsessed with Russia? This is a forum for healthcare workers, mostly nurses. Why are you thinking about Russians when discussing this topic?

RUSSIAN covid disinformation

RUSSIAN covid disinformation on facebook

We talk about it because it's a problem and too many people like yourself are apparently completely unaware that it exists. 

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9 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

RUSSIAN covid disinformation

RUSSIAN covid disinformation on facebook

We talk about it because it's a problem and too many people like yourself are apparently completely unaware that it exists. 

But when someone's response to someone is just "you sound like a Russian," it makes me think the person is a bad faith actor. By the way, my response is not just directed at you personally. I see this a lot now with just about any issue. There's just a sense of smugness. Between pictures of graveyards and comments like "I hope you're not eating horse dewormer!" There is a valid concern for not wanting to take a vaccine you don't feel is necessary. The flu shot has been optional for healthcare workers where I live since I've been a nurse, we were just required to wear a mask during flu season. I never felt coerced, and yet I actually did get a flu shot most years. Tell us "anti-vaxxers" why we shouldn't find it strange that there's such an anger towards anyone asking questions about the inordinate amount of deaths caused by the vaccine, or why we shouldn't care that several deaths have been proven to be caused by things other than COVID but labeled covid deaths? There are many lies that we have been told (by people of all political affiliations, so don't think I'm gonna go on a rant about "the Left") that we can prove were lies. Why should we "trust the science" when science changes so rapidly? Furthermore, why were our employers not concerned about our health when we knew nothing about COVID, but are now pretending that these mandates have some benevolent purpose? I'm not saying I'm right or people that are pro vaccine mandate are right, but why is it so difficult to have a conversation?

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23 minutes ago, nuanced said:

Why should we "trust the science" when science changes so rapidly?
 

The day science doesn’t change, is the day you should start worrying. Novel virus, data gathered, virus mutates, new variant emerges, more data gathered… Of course science changes. It’s the scientific process. 
 

23 minutes ago, nuanced said:

Tell us "anti-vaxxers" why we shouldn't find it strange that there's such an anger towards anyone asking questions about the inordinate amount of deaths caused by the vaccine, or why we shouldn't care that several deaths have been proven to be caused by things other than COVID but labeled covid deaths?

You’ve clearly been affected by disinformation. There have not been an inordinate amount of deaths caused by vaccines. That is patently false.

Covid deaths in the U.S. do not appear to have been inflated. That’s another untruth that’s been making the rounds. If anything your excess deaths for 2020 mean that the number of Covid-related deaths , might actually have been undercounted.

Here are some interesting statistics:

https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid
 

Since I’m right next door to Russia it is now late in the evening and I need my ? 

Good night all! 

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16 minutes ago, nuanced said:

Why should we "trust the science" when science changes so rapidly? Furthermore, why were our employers not concerned about our health when we knew nothing about COVID, but are now pretending that these mandates have some benevolent purpose? I'm not saying I'm right or people that are pro vaccine mandate are right, but why is it so difficult to have a conversation?

I refuse to quote the covid misinformation that you shared.  

Why do you think that science "changes"?  Why would you imagine that sound science wouldn't change when new information and data is acquired about a novel virus?

Can you think of any reason that a healthcare employer might mandate vaccination against a deadly pandemic virus, other than concern for the employee's health? I can. 

Yes, why is it so difficult to have a conversation? When people parrot misinformation which is known to have originated from Russian efforts it's not "smug" to point that out.  I'm guessing it's difficult because the people who are unvaccinated and resistant to facts and data are emotionally invested in their choice to gamble with the disease.  That's maybe why the responses to questions and credible information is met with defensiveness and accusations of bullying.  But that could just be my early psych nursing and work experience talking. 

3 minutes ago, macawake said:

The day science doesn’t change, is the day you should start worrying. Novel virus, data gathered, virus mutates, new variant emerges, more data gathered… Of course science changes. It’s the scientific process. 
 

You’ve clearly been affected by disinformation. There have not been an inordinate amount of deaths caused by vaccines. That is patently false.

Covid deaths in the U.S. do not appear to have been inflated. That’s another untruth that’s been making the rounds. If anything your excess deaths for 2020 mean that the number of Covid-related deaths , might actually have been undercounted.

Here are some interesting statistics:

https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid
 

Since I’m right next door to Russia it is now late in the evening and I need my ? 

Good night all! 

Hey...I'm pretty close to Russia too! Lots and lots of Russian influence in Alaska...LOL

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JT, do you fancy yourself as the shepherd or the tyranny of evil men? Just wondering, given your avatar. And do you know what your handle means?

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48 minutes ago, macawake said:

The day science doesn’t change, is the day you should start worrying. Novel virus, data gathered, virus mutates, new variant emerges, more data gathered… Of course science changes. It’s the scientific process. 
 

You’ve clearly been affected by disinformation. There have not been an inordinate amount of deaths caused by vaccines. That is patently false.

Covid deaths in the U.S. do not appear to have been inflated. That’s another untruth that’s been making the rounds. If anything your excess deaths for 2020 mean that the number of Covid-related deaths , might actually have been undercounted.

Here are some interesting statistics:

https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid
 

Since I’m right next door to Russia it is now late in the evening and I need my ? 

Good night all! 

The fact that you tell me what I've said is "disinformation" just shows how smug you are. I can find data to backup my position as well, the media will find a way to explain why the data shouldn't be interpreted in a normal way and you'll probably believe it, but observe this technical briefing from the UK government that shows more vaccinated people have died from "Delta" recently than unvaccinated people over the age of 50. I'd interpret that as proof that these vaccines are not good for people who are already at risk, but that's just my interpretation. The fact remains that there were more vaccinated people who died. Why is that not worth discussing? 

Genuinely I think there is a disconnect between people who "trust the experts" who we know to be opportunistic liars and those of us who don't believe everything we're told, especially when we've seen things with our own eyes.

 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1009243/Technical_Briefing_20.pdf

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