Valid Reasons To Not Get Vaccinated

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Whether you're in support of the COVID vaccine, against it,  or on the fence please use this particular thread to cite credible, evidence-based sources to share with everyone so we can engage in a discussion that revolves around LEARNING.  

I'll start:

The primary concerns I've shared with others have to do with how effective the vaccine is for those who have already been infected.  I've reviewed studies and reports in that regard.  There are medical professionals I've listened to that, in my personal opinion,  don't offer a definitive answer. 

Here are some links to 2 different, I'll start with just 2:

Cleveland Clinic Statement on Previous COVID-19 Infection Research

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination — Kentucky, May–June 2021

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Here is a an article in explaining why vaccination may offer  protection even after antibody levels wane:  

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-28/antibodies-waning-the-immune-system-has-a-backup-plan-for-that?srnd=premium

Researchers at the university’s Perelman School of Medicine tracked 61 people for six months after immunization with mRNA vaccines. The team noted that antibodies gradually ebbed, but that the shots generated durable immune memory to SARS-CoV-2 in the form of B and T cells that increased over time to help ward off serious illness.

And a link to the study that is not yet been reviewed: 

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.23.457229v1.full.pdf

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So I imagine that the next wave is coming again soon because Sturgis just happened and we all know what happened last year! 

I also see that the idiots have also moved on to another venue in Texas recently. That's going to go well. 

I guess Ron DeSantis is going to team up Abbott and sell even more antivaxx t-shirts! 

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3 hours ago, emtb2rn said:

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Best post of the thread in my opinion. While not exactly valid reasons to not get vaccinated, judging by posts here and and other sites on the internet, the reasons listed on those gravestones are unfortunately not uncommon. Sometimes a picture really does say more than a thousand words. Great post. Sad reality.

Actually sad doesn’t really describe it. It’s tragic. And it’s unnecessary. People who didn’t have to die, have died. And are still dying. 

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On 8/28/2021 at 7:28 PM, 10GaugeNeedles said:

Your strawman has nothing to do with my statement. Freedom is still, and always will be worth everything. I guarantee that veteran would agree with the premise.

Guess what. If there wasn't so much team sport stuff in this debate, maybe the vaccination rates would be higher. If there wasn't so much mixed messaging from government, maybe their would be less distrust. Media ite is extremely blue partisan and biased. You go to the Washington free beacon, you'll see counter stories of vaccine injury. The story would translate to "the corrupt state is trying to kill your children with dangerous vaccines." 

What do you want? I'm not ever supporting totalitarianism. I don't care what the story or argument is. 

Please don't go to the Washington Beacon for your news.  Go to a more direct source and the Beacon is not known for the quality of it's reporting.  Otherwise I have no idea what you are saying.  Something about totalitarianism.....as if you live in Afghanistan.

 

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3 hours ago, emtb2rn said:

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Share this at work with your patients who are hesitant!  The mockery will motivate them to change their perspective. 

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33 minutes ago, macawake said:


 

Best post of the thread in my opinion. While not exactly valid reasons to not get vaccinated, judging by posts here and and other sites on the internet, the reasons listed on those gravestones are unfortunately not uncommon. Sometimes a picture really does say more than a thousand words. Great post. Sad reality.

Actually sad doesn’t really describe it. It’s tragic. And it’s unnecessary. People who didn’t have to die, have died. And are still dying. 

I don't knowwww? 

There's no horse or dog graves, so you never know, the Ivermectin crowd might see that as a good sign and a good excuse for ponying up and woofing down some Ivermectin ??????

3 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

Share this at work with your patients who are hesitant!  The mockery will motivate them to change their perspective. 

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36 minutes ago, Curious1997 said:

I don't knowwww? 

There's no horse or dog graves, so you never know, the Ivermectin crowd might see that as a good sign and a good excuse for ponying up and woofing down some Ivermectin ??????

Yes, that should probably have been included. I also couldn’t find the magnetic microchip anywhere, but they did a good job of covering the most common misperceptions and reasons devoid of substantive rationale.. 

 

36 minutes ago, Curious1997 said:

 

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Indeed. Those violins are giving me tinnitus. 

A slightly repetitive theme. 

 

I actually disagree with his analysis. I think that picture could actually have an effect on a person who has a family member, friend, coworker or even acquaintance who ever uttered any of those reasons and who later became hospitalized and died of Covid, and make them think twice.


That picture hits home. 
 

The words on those headstones aren’t mockery. They reflect the grim, bleak reality of what’s happening today. 

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3 hours ago, nursej22 said:

Here is a an article in explaining why vaccination may offer  protection even after antibody levels wane:  

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-28/antibodies-waning-the-immune-system-has-a-backup-plan-for-that?srnd=premium

Researchers at the university’s Perelman School of Medicine tracked 61 people for six months after immunization with mRNA vaccines. The team noted that antibodies gradually ebbed, but that the shots generated durable immune memory to SARS-CoV-2 in the form of B and T cells that increased over time to help ward off serious illness.

And a link to the study that is not yet been reviewed: 

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.23.457229v1.full.pdf

Thanks for posting the Univ. of Pennsylvania Pearlman Medical School study --- article infographic helpful to understand vaccination and antibody immune memory:

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16 hours ago, jive turkey said:

1. When did I say there was EVIDENCE of corruption?

Go find where I said that then try again.

 You should hate to assert logical fallacies because you're arguing things that weren't said while affirming things I did.  

2. You already stated your position on patents.  You could have replied there and didn't.  So now,  I'm not interested in debating it with you further.  Take a hint dear.

3. I didn't write that, someone else did.  That person has yet to clarify what they're talking about and likely misunderstood what I said.  From the looks of it, you're not familiar with the discussion between him and I either.  I recommend you move on from it unless you can be more specific.

 

 

If there's no evidence for corruption, then why did you even bring it up.  Just want to keep stirring the pot after you threw another turd in it?

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On 8/28/2021 at 9:03 PM, jive turkey said:

Allow me to clarify what all the patent discussion is about so we aren't bantering back n forth about the finer details of patents.

Whenever money is involved there is a risk for corruption.

We now have a product that has potential for requiring indefinite boosters being sold for profit with mandates by governments and institutions.  

We should hope to be fortunate enough the strategy of mandating drugs won't be abused or exploited as a means to achieve consistent and significant financial gains by the greedy.  

If what I'm saying borders conspiracy theory from your perspective let me further elaborate why I have concerns when money is involved in health care.  I'm sure you've witnessed countless occasions someone was denied care, received inferior care, or had it cut short because of the insurance companies.  Those are fine examples where profits are put ahead of patients.  

I don't see vaccines as being exempt from the same challenges.  It doesn't mean the vaccine is without its benefits.  It doesn't mean we shouldn't keep our eyes peeled and ask questions.

You sound more like a Russian troll than an RN.  Of course rainbows don't come out of the butts of CEO's but you are more concerned with fomenting vaccine hesitancy by calling out any other irrelevant thing you can to boost your sometimes real and sometimes fake delusions.  The thread is "valid reasons not to get vaccine".  Operative word here is "valid".  And so far I'm still waiting for a valid reason.

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21 hours ago, jive turkey said:

These threads are getting so long, and so many of you are quoting me at the same time I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to.  Which poster are you referring to?

I asked a question. I'm not sure I received a clear answer from you.  

I disagree with you that vaccination is not patient specific.  There's a great deal of evidence showing reinfection is rare.  Suggestions to vaccinate that follow those studies to me, come across as a better safe than sorry approach.

-What did I say that's untrue?

-What "idea" am I spreading?

-What "conspiracy theory" did I offer?

Every time people on here accuse me of such things, they can never go back and quote me to substantiate the accusation.  If something I said came across that way, show me so I can clarify it for you.  It's not that hard to see I have an open minded balanced perspective on this issue.  I'm just not one sided about it.

I've said dozens of times, I'm not on a mission to tell people not to get the vaccine.  Don't accuse me of fueling vaccine resistance.  I've argued that those sharing your perspective are fueling resistance by bullying, being rude, disrespectful, and denying any science that doesn't support vaccinating everyone without question.

I don't discount the 40 people in your ICU, that's serious!

I also don't discount the millions that have recovered and have a different perspective 

But you just did discount those 40 people.  They are real!  What you have is a belief that corruption negates the legitimacy of vaccines.  I'm not sure what the appropriate psychological term is for your far-reaching but illogical argument, so I'll just say it's crazy.

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