Valid Reasons To Not Get Vaccinated

[jive turkey]

Whether you're in support of the COVID vaccine, against it,  or on the fence please use this particular thread to cite credible, evidence-based sources to share with everyone so we can engage in a discussion that revolves around LEARNING.  

I'll start:

The primary concerns I've shared with others have to do with how effective the vaccine is for those who have already been infected.  I've reviewed studies and reports in that regard.  There are medical professionals I've listened to that, in my personal opinion,  don't offer a definitive answer. 

Here are some links to 2 different, I'll start with just 2:

Cleveland Clinic Statement on Previous COVID-19 Infection Research

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination — Kentucky, May–June 2021

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

4 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

I figured you wouldn't get it. It's not for me to judge whether someone's pain complaint is valid. Pain is what they say it is. I assume you know that.

In the same way, someone's decision about vaccination acceptance is their's to make. Nurses and doctors may not agree, but those opinions are irrelevant. The only opinion that matters is the pt's. Period.

Pain doesn't cause Covid nor is it contagious.   Period. 

[toomuchbaloney]

13 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

I figured you wouldn't get it. It's not for me to judge whether someone's pain complaint is valid. Pain is what they say it is. I assume you know that.

In the same way, someone's decision about vaccination acceptance is their's to make. Nurses and doctors may not agree, but those opinions are irrelevant. The only opinion that matters is the pt's. Period.

Well you figured wrong.  I understood, it simply is an off topic deflection and has no relevance to what you might believe is a valid reason to remain unvaccinated. You seem to be implying that any poorly sourced reason to remain unvaccinated is a valid reason.  Is that true? Is that why you aren't talking about valid reasons even though that's the topic at hand? 

[jive turkey]

2 hours ago, BostonFNP said:

Any death is a tragic thing. 

 

There have been cases of myocarditis following vaccination at a rate of 3 per 100,000; these typically spontaneously resolve. Unfortunately, a severe case in a patient with comorbidity or delay in care could result in death. Myocarditis also occurs secondary to covid illness, at a rate of 11 per 100,000 cases. 

There have been 5.25 billion doses of covid vaccines given and this is one confirmed associated death. There have been 4.51 million deaths from covid illness. 
 

 

Just curious:

If someone didn't take the vaccine and died what would you say?

If someone had to content with a mandate, and became one of the 3/100k or 11/100k what do you say to them/their survivors?

[toomuchbaloney]

12 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

Just curious:

If someone didn't take the vaccine and died what would you say?

If someone had to content with a mandate, and became one of the 3/100k or 11/100k what do you say to them/their survivors?

Even though every death is tragic, especially if it is preventable, that's not relevant to the topic. 

What would be relevant and refreshing is your example of a valid reason to remain unvaccinated at this point in this pandemic.  

[iNurs5, CNA]

2 hours ago, nuanced said:

"It's a private company, they can do what they like." Literally the way the government is able to impose their will. Biden and Co. "recommended" that companies require vaccines. I'm sure the federal government will withhold funding from any health care facility that doesn't mandate them. You don't have a problem with the fact that our democracy is a sham?

The US is not completely a Democratic country. Are you aware of this? Ask your uncle lawyer or call some buddies who attended a fancy law school. 

 However, Americans, many of them,  dislike to emulate  Singaporeans but want to have everything perfect and free.

[10GaugeNeedles, BSN]

Judge strips mother of parental rights since she has not been vaccinated:

https://nationalfile.com/cook-county-judge-strips-mother-of-parental-rights-since-she-has-not-been-vaccinated/

Follow up, the order was reversed subsequently.

[guest1163268]

3 hours ago, nuanced said:

"You're not being forced, you can just get fired." Give me a break.

So hold on a minute! 

Someone forced you to take that job? You do know that you are in America. Land of the free choices! 

I mean, why would you want to work for an employer who is so callous anyway? Who knows what other illegal shenanigans they might have going? 

I am frequently forced to ditch my jeans and t-shirts when I go out with my parents or visit certain hotels or restaurants or other establishments. How about the next time you go to the OR or change a dressing, you nix the gloves and masks! 

Rules are there for a reason! If you come up with a work around I would love to hear it, because fancy clothes are uncomfortable! 

[guest1163268]

So now that Ida has caused so much damage in Louisiana and very likely in the other states as it progresses up the Eastern part of the nation, in the states that many people are unvaccinated, and causes power outages etc, HOW do you think those unvaccinated people will get the help they might need? 

I wonder if all of the private companies that they so revere will come to their aid or might it be Govt? 

And will they turn them away because they are so independent and govt may have constructed a conspiracy in the form of a hurricane to dupe them in some way? 

Surely that's a conspiracy no worse than the Jewish lasers causing California's fires or the lizard people drinking blood in DC pizza shops? 

Or is it? 

[jive turkey]

https://clinicalnews.org/2021/08/26/comparing-sars-cov-2-natural-immunity-to-vaccine-induced-immunity-reinfections-versus-breakthrough-infections/

 

Here's another article for those of you throwing natural immunity to the wind and insist it's "not a valid reason?" for someone to consider deferring on the vaccine after a previous infection (and talking to their doctor)

A case can be made for natural immunity, naive vaccination, and vaccination following a previous infection. 

Side note:  I had to use an anonymous browser called Tor and change the region of search to get this for you ??.  A typical Google search via common browsers like chrome and Firefox display vaccine biased results.

 

[guest1163268]

24 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

https://clinicalnews.org/2021/08/26/comparing-sars-cov-2-natural-immunity-to-vaccine-induced-immunity-reinfections-versus-breakthrough-infections/

 

Here's another article for those of you throwing natural immunity to the wind and insist it's "not a valid reason?" for someone to consider deferring on the vaccine after a previous infection (and talking to their doctor)

A case can be made for natural immunity, naive vaccination, and vaccination following a previous infection. 

Side note:  I had to use an anonymous browser called Tor and change the region of search to get this for you ??.  A typical Google search via common browsers like chrome and Firefox display vaccine biased results.

 

Tells me everything I need to know about you. 

I have heard of Tor, but I would not go there for anything because of the possibilities re legal complications etc. If you chose to go there it shows the levels of risk you are willing to take and a vivid aspect of your personality. 

There's a reason it's called the Dark Web and the people who exist there are usually criminals peddling in nefarious businesses! There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for a non criminally minded person to use Tor unless they need to conduct underhanded business. 

This gels perfectly with the information you are peddling. On the other hand, I haven't ever visited Tor or had to ever have the need to, so I will defer if anyone thinks that it is a good place to get anything from! Maybe, I'm wrong! 

[toomuchbaloney]

2 hours ago, jive turkey said:

https://clinicalnews.org/2021/08/26/comparing-sars-cov-2-natural-immunity-to-vaccine-induced-immunity-reinfections-versus-breakthrough-infections/

 

Here's another article for those of you throwing natural immunity to the wind and insist it's "not a valid reason?" for someone to consider deferring on the vaccine after a previous infection (and talking to their doctor)

A case can be made for natural immunity, naive vaccination, and vaccination following a previous infection. 

Side note:  I had to use an anonymous browser called Tor and change the region of search to get this for you ??.  A typical Google search via common browsers like chrome and Firefox display vaccine biased results.

 

From the preprint article:

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Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.

Of course, that reflects the current consensus and recommendations as previously noted.  Also; 

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This article is a preprint and has not been certified by peer review [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice.

 

 

[emtb2rn, BSN, RN, EMT-B]

4 hours ago, jive turkey said:

https://clinicalnews.org/2021/08/26/comparing-sars-cov-2-natural-immunity-to-vaccine-induced-immunity-reinfections-versus-breakthrough-infections/

 

Here's another article for those of you throwing natural immunity to the wind and insist it's "not a valid reason?" for someone to consider deferring on the vaccine after a previous infection (and talking to their doctor)

A case can be made for natural immunity, naive vaccination, and vaccination following a previous infection. 

Side note:  I had to use an anonymous browser called Tor and change the region of search to get this for you ??.  A typical Google search via common browsers like chrome and Firefox display vaccine biased results.

 

Why’d you have to use tor? This isn’t dark web material. I found the same study easily using duck-duck.  Take a look - 5th hit. But I’m trying Ringo, I’m trying real hard to be the shepherd…