Valid Reasons To Not Get Vaccinated

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Whether you're in support of the COVID vaccine, against it,  or on the fence please use this particular thread to cite credible, evidence-based sources to share with everyone so we can engage in a discussion that revolves around LEARNING.  

I'll start:

The primary concerns I've shared with others have to do with how effective the vaccine is for those who have already been infected.  I've reviewed studies and reports in that regard.  There are medical professionals I've listened to that, in my personal opinion,  don't offer a definitive answer. 

Here are some links to 2 different, I'll start with just 2:

Cleveland Clinic Statement on Previous COVID-19 Infection Research

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination — Kentucky, May–June 2021

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14 hours ago, jive turkey said:

In sure there's a poll out there but I'll answer with my own opinion

1.Fear and lack of trust

(What if the drug hurts me later and the government is lying vs what if COVID persists due to the unvaccinated)

2.Lack of information/ limited information offered

(Media gives information based on what gets viewers and not so much what is educational and informative)

3.People having contempt for each other, unable to rationally discuss their differences without getting emotional

(Narrow viewpoints from both extremes sniffling communication)

4. Conformity vs independence

 

Just to name a few

This is understantable for lay people but not for nurses.

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Thank you.

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Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine induced immunity: rei-nfections versus breakthrough infections (Study led by Tal Patalon and Sivan Gazit at KSM, Israel): Study Text

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10 minutes ago, MedicRU said:

Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine induced immunity: rei-nfections versus breakthrough infections (Study led by Tal Patalon and Sivan Gazit at KSM, Israel? Study Text

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The study demonstrates the power of the human immune system, but infectious disease experts emphasized that this vaccine and others for COVID-19 nonetheless remain highly protective against severe disease and death. And they caution that intentional infection among unvaccinated people would be extremely risky. 

Currently our health system is struggling under the pressure of people who believe that they can just develop their natural immunity. The unvaccinated are gambling that they won't get very sick, require hospitalization or possibly die. How's that working out?

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24 minutes ago, MedicRU said:

Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine induced immunity: rei-nfections versus breakthrough infections (Study led by Tal Patalon and Sivan Gazit at KSM, Israel? Study Text

Interesting information.  I'm sure some will challenge this for not being peer reviewed, which is fair.  This is why people should be open minded. More information is emerging.  

Couple this with studies showing the rarity of reinfection should make it less challenging to understand why there are those who are hesitant!

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11 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

Interesting information.  I'm sure some will challenge this for not being peer reviewed, which is fair.  This is why people should be open minded. More information is emerging.  

Couple this with studies showing the rarity of reinfection should make it less challenging to understand why there are those who are hesitant!

Alabama, Florida, Missouri, New Mexico, South Dakota, Mississippi,  Louisiana.  They don't tell us anything?  I can't link this study.  Which varient was it referencing.  Still doesn't explain the list above.. 

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Specializes in Acute Dialysis.

This is a pre print and not yet peer reviewed and observational. BUT! I found it interesting how good the numbers concerning previous infection immunity protection appeared. Whatever your view of the vaccine is, if this study is valid, it's good news for us all that infective immunity appears to be robust. Hopefully this ends up as a seasonal thing. I have no clue how to interpret statistical models this no idea if their estimates are valid. But the summary numbers look promising:

"Vaccination was highly 
effective with overall estimated efficacy for documented infection of 92·8% (CI:[92·6, 
93·0]); hospitalization 94·2% (CI:[93·6, 94·7]); severe illness 94·4% (CI:[93·6, 95·0]); and 
death 93·7% (CI:[92·5, 94·7]).

Similarly, the overall estimated level of protection from 
prior SARS-CoV-2 infection for documented infection is 94·8% (CI:[94·4, 95·1]); 
hospitalization 94·1% (CI:[91·9, 95·7]); and severe illness 96·4% (CI:[92·5, 98·3]).

Our results question the need to vaccinate previously-infected individuals."

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.20.21255670v1.full.pdf

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Specializes in Adult Internal Medicine.

The problem with the natural immunity strategy is that 1. It’s going to drive variants. 2. the cost of hospitalizations is astronomical, 3. the system is being pushed to the breaking point, and 4. the possibility of death and long term morbidity remains quite high. 

If you already have immunity that’s one thing. If you don’t,  and you are holding off on vaccination to get it, you need to get your head checked. 

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On 8/25/2021 at 9:16 PM, 10GaugeNeedles said:

The idea that so many are pushing as "just ignore the risks! It's perfectly safe!"

Who?  Who has ever said that any drug or vaccine is risk free?

Please cite a CREDIBLE source.  Somebody well trained in the subject who has ever said such a ridiculous thing.

 

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The data from Israel is promising, its major drawback was it was pre-delta. The predominant strain was B.1.1.7 (Alpha).

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20 minutes ago, hherrn said:

Who?  Who has ever said that any drug or vaccine is risk free?

Please cite a CREDIBLE source.  Somebody well trained in the subject who has ever said such a ridiculous thing.

 

Without speaking entirely on that posters behalf but sharing their sentiment for concern:

We have those who insist the vaccine is safe but acknowledge no vaccine is risk free.  The counter to that is,  how does one insist another person be compelled to take a drug on the basis of safety when they're in no position to resolve any issues for the drug recipient should they suffer from a reaction or side effect?

 

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On 8/26/2021 at 6:22 PM, 10GaugeNeedles said:

Do you honestly think this split along vaccine lines is strictly "educated vs uneducated"? 

Well, how many people with an education that truly allows them to evaluate the science are unvaccinated?

Obviously there are outliers- but yes.  The higher degree of education somebody has, the more likely they are to be vaccinated.

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