Valid Reasons To Not Get Vaccinated

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Whether you're in support of the COVID vaccine, against it,  or on the fence please use this particular thread to cite credible, evidence-based sources to share with everyone so we can engage in a discussion that revolves around LEARNING.  

I'll start:

The primary concerns I've shared with others have to do with how effective the vaccine is for those who have already been infected.  I've reviewed studies and reports in that regard.  There are medical professionals I've listened to that, in my personal opinion,  don't offer a definitive answer. 

Here are some links to 2 different, I'll start with just 2:

Cleveland Clinic Statement on Previous COVID-19 Infection Research

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination — Kentucky, May–June 2021

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52 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

Asked and answered. 

If you've never read the 48 laws of power I highly recommend it.  This may help you understand why I question things my man.

I look forward to another debate with you on another subject!

This is the thread where we are discussing valid reasons to not vaccinate.  Are you out of reasons?

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On 8/17/2021 at 6:39 PM, jive turkey said:

1.If you think the CDC is lying that's on you.  I didn't tell them to make that report.  

2. So are you willing to pay the bills for the ones that had concerns and "hit the lottery"? No, you're not. 

3. You don't know me to speak on behalf of my feelings or my vaccination status.  This is the problem with many of you in favor of everyone vaccinating. You're very dismissive of peoples concerns,  speak as if  any science and evidence provided that suggests why they may not want or need (despite blanket statements to get it anyway) is irrelevant.  When people don't see it you're way you accuse them of being "antivaxxers" or "making excuses".  This isn't North Korea. People can question things have doubts, have concerns, and desire more information before putting a new drug in their body.  

Here's what I don't get about your arguments:

1: The CDC has clearly stayed that vaccination provides superior protection against both acute illness and transmission to others, why do you seem to be suggesting vaccination is equivalent to previous infection?  And if previous infection can actually replace vaccination, how long does that last exactly?

2:  Are you suggesting someone is taking a bigger risk in terms of financial risk related to medical bills by getting vaccinated compared to being unvaccinated?  Because that is absurd.

3: You're absolutely free to question things, no argument there.  Spreading misinformation that can affect the decisions of others in ways that puts them in danger that they aren't aware of thanks to you, completely different.

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5 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

Here's what I don't get about your arguments:

1: The CDC has clearly stayed that vaccination provides superior protection against both acute illness and transmission to others, why do you seem to be suggesting vaccination is equivalent to previous infection?  And if previous infection can actually replace vaccination, how long does that last exactly?

2:  Are you suggesting someone is taking a bigger risk in terms of financial risk related to medical bills by getting vaccinated compared to being unvaccinated?  Because that is absurd.

3: You're absolutely free to question things, no argument there.  Spreading misinformation that can affect the decisions of others in ways that puts them in danger that they aren't aware of thanks to you, completely different.

1. Please reread my original post. At no point did I say one is better or equal to the other.  Read the articles I shared including those from the CDC (not all are in first post)

2. Where did you see me say that?  Reread and try again.  You misunderstood the discussion I had with another poster about medical bills. Read it more carefully. 

3. What misinformation did I spread? Quote one thing I stated as FACT that's not true.  Disagree with my opinions as you may but make sure you're accusations of misinformation are accurate. 

 

Lastly, if you're here to have an intelectual, respectful discussion I'm all for it.  If you're looking for a fight, a venue to launch insults or be condescending you can miss me with that. 

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10 hours ago, jive turkey said:

If you've never read the 48 laws of power I highly recommend it.  This may help you understand why I question things my man.

The book is a bestseller, selling over 1.2 million copies in the United States, and is popular with prison inmates and celebrities. (Wikipedia)

Which are you? Inmate or celebrity?

 

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 *10 hours ago, jive turkey said:

If you've never read the 48 laws of power I highly recommend it. This may help you understand why I question things my man.

The book is a bestseller, selling over 1.2 million copies in the United States, and is popular with prison inmates and celebrities. (Wikipedia)

 

Wasn't that your first clue that you shouldn't go near it?

Could you find bigger bubble heads than either of those demographics to not input anything they do? 

I think you have been possibly overstuffed with that name? 

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12 hours ago, jive turkey said:

1. Please reread my original post. At no point did I say one is better or equal to the other.  Read the articles I shared including those from the CDC (not all are in first post)

2. Where did you see me say that?  Reread and try again.  You misunderstood the discussion I had with another poster about medical bills. Read it more carefully. 

3. What misinformation did I spread? Quote one thing I stated as FACT that's not true.  Disagree with my opinions as you may but make sure you're accusations of misinformation are accurate. 

 

Lastly, if you're here to have an intelectual, respectful discussion I'm all for it.  If you're looking for a fight, a venue to launch insults or be condescending you can miss me with that. 

Regarding 1 and 3, the gist of the thread, as I understood it, is previous infection may negate the need for vaccination, suggesting this claim is supported by the CDC.  The CDC has pointed out that the two are not comparable as those who have had a previous infection are twice as likely to become reinfected as the vaccinated are to have a breakthrough infection, in addition to higher potential for transmission and acute illness.

2. If your point was not that someone might be hesitant to get vaccinated because of the potential costs associated with it, then feel free to clarify.

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Reasons to not vaccinate are about as well researched as the 48 laws of power were researched. 

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12 hours ago, jive turkey said:

1. Please reread my original post. At no point did I say one is better or equal to the other.  Read the articles I shared including those from the CDC (not all are in first post)

2. Where did you see me say that?  Reread and try again.  You misunderstood the discussion I had with another poster about medical bills. Read it more carefully. 

3. What misinformation did I spread? Quote one thing I stated as FACT that's not true.  Disagree with my opinions as you may but make sure you're accusations of misinformation are accurate. 

 

Lastly, if you're here to have an intelectual, respectful discussion I'm all for it.  If you're looking for a fight, a venue to launch insults or be condescending you can miss me with that. 

Yes.  I am here for an inteligent conversaton.

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4 hours ago, GrumpyRN said:

The book is a bestseller, selling over 1.2 million copies in the United States, and is popular with prison inmates and celebrities. (Wikipedia)

Which are you? Inmate or celebrity?

 

Have a good day grumpy

3 hours ago, Curious1997 said:

 *10 hours ago, jive turkey said:

If you've never read the 48 laws of power I highly recommend it. This may help you understand why I question things my man.

The book is a bestseller, selling over 1.2 million copies in the United States, and is popular with prison inmates and celebrities. (Wikipedia)

 

Wasn't that your first clue that you shouldn't go near it?

Could you find bigger bubble heads than either of those demographics to not input anything they do? 

I think you have been possibly overstuffed with that name? 

Are you looking to talk crap or have an intelectual discussion? Not interested in the former. Have a good day. 

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Is intelectual the new biter?  
 

Although I am an intelectual, I have become more biter over the years…

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17 hours ago, subee said:

Hey emb2:  I'm shallow and I can't see your logo clearly.  Is that a yamulka for the Jewish space force?  I'm a member myself.

It’s the pin. I’d get a kepa if they have one, love to rock that at shul if I ever go back. God & I have an agreement that I can think about her on the mountain instead of sitting in shul thinking about the mountain. 

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35 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

Regarding 1 and 3, the gist of the thread, as I understood it, is previous infection may negate the need for vaccination, suggesting this claim is supported by the CDC.  The CDC has pointed out that the two are not comparable as those who have had a previous infection are twice as likely to become reinfected as the vaccinated are to have a breakthrough infection, in addition to higher potential for transmission and acute illness.

2. If your point was not that someone might be hesitant to get vaccinated because of the potential costs associated with it, then feel free to clarify.

I presume you're newer to the discussion and may not have seen other posts where I clarified. So long as you keep it clean I can do it again.  

My point isn't about negating the need rather, acknowledging there's conflicting data about the benefits of vaccination for previously infected. We have shared posts stating immunity is "2.34xs greater with vaccinating".  There's studies showing less that 1% reinfection, CDC included.  Another study where none of the participants were reinfected. There doesn't seem to be much data about how many reinfected people are being hospitalized and dying.  All studies admit there's more to learn and all suggest vaccinating. 

In consideration of conflicting and often inconclusive data, my personal opinion is if someone who had COVID, didn't get hospitalized,  is not high risk,  feels the risks of the vaccine outweigh the potential benefits, and has talked to their doctor and decide its not for them, that's a valid reason to decide not to have the drug. 

  People here seem to misinterpret my message and may receive it as me being against vaccination or on a crusade to advise people against it/encourage them not to. My position has more to do with being considered and compassionate towards those who are making an educated decision not to rather than taking a hard line stance for either decision.   I have also spoken vehemently against bullying, shaming and pressuring people who have concerns or don't want to when their reasons aren't based on illegitimate information or conspiracy theories.

 I didn't share any misinformation. all the links I provided are factual.  Everything else is my opinion that I'm not claiming to be fact or medical advice

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