Valid Reasons To Not Get Vaccinated

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Whether you're in support of the COVID vaccine, against it,  or on the fence please use this particular thread to cite credible, evidence-based sources to share with everyone so we can engage in a discussion that revolves around LEARNING.  

I'll start:

The primary concerns I've shared with others have to do with how effective the vaccine is for those who have already been infected.  I've reviewed studies and reports in that regard.  There are medical professionals I've listened to that, in my personal opinion,  don't offer a definitive answer. 

Here are some links to 2 different, I'll start with just 2:

Cleveland Clinic Statement on Previous COVID-19 Infection Research

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination — Kentucky, May–June 2021

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22 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

I presume you're newer to the discussion and may not have seen other posts where I clarified. So long as you keep it clean I can do it again.  

My point isn't about negating the need rather, acknowledging there's conflicting data about the benefits of vaccination for previously infected. We have shared posts stating immunity is "2.34xs greater with vaccinating".  There's studies showing less that 1% reinfection, CDC included.  Another study where none of the participants were reinfected. There doesn't seem to be much data about how many reinfected people are being hospitalized and dying.  All studies admit there's more to learn and all suggest vaccinating. 

In consideration of conflicting and often inconclusive data, my personal opinion is if someone who had COVID, didn't get hospitalized,  is not high risk,  feels the risks of the vaccine outweigh the potential benefits, and has talked to their doctor and decide its not for them, that's a valid reason to decide not to have the drug. 

  People here seem to misinterpret my message and may receive it as me being against vaccination or on a crusade to advise people against it/encourage them not to. My position has more to do with being considered and compassionate towards those who are making an educated decision not to rather than taking a hard line stance for either decision.   I have also spoken vehemently against bullying, shaming and pressuring people who have concerns or don't want to when their reasons aren't based on illegitimate information or conspiracy theories.

 I didn't share any misinformation. all the links I provided are factual.  Everything else is my opinion that I'm not claiming to be fact or medical advice

You simply didn't share any links which supported the belief that it's OK to remain unvaccinated because of previous infection.  All of the citations recommended vaccination for those previously infected. 

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8 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

You simply didn't share any links which supported the belief that it's OK to remain unvaccinated because of previous infection.  All of the citations recommended vaccination for those previously infected. 

OK ?

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26 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

OK ?

But you said this on the 1st page of this thread:

”As for me, the question is less about how safe it is and more about justifying taking a vaccine after an infection considering data from different sources offer contrary results or information that is inconclusive, albeit they all conclude it is safe and recommended.  “
 

That statement implies that previously infected folks should consider not getting vaccinated even though it’s recommended. Did I misunderstand that?

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9 minutes ago, emtb2rn said:

But you said this on the 1st page of this thread:

”As for me, the question is less about how safe it is and more about justifying taking a vaccine after an infection considering data from different sources offer contrary results or information that is inconclusive, albeit they all conclude it is safe and recommended.  “
 

That statement implies that previously infected folks should consider not getting vaccinated even though it’s recommended. Did I misunderstand that?

Yes, you misunderstood.  Check some earlier posts where I offered my opinion on that regard. 

I did say as for me, not as for anyone else where you quoted me

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1 hour ago, jive turkey said:

Yes, you misunderstood.  Check some earlier posts where I offered my opinion on that regard. 

Earlier than the first comment on the first page of this thread?

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17 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Earlier than the first comment on the first page of this thread?

Earlier in general

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11 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

Earlier in general

This thread stands on its own.  You seem to have run out of "valid reasons" to not vaccinate. 

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1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

This thread stands on its own.  You seem to have run out of "valid reasons" to not vaccinate. 

Sure, If you say so?

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As I read this, I get the impression that this forum was created to find "like minds" to rally together and try to make "valid" (by valid I mean opinion based, unsubstantiated and non evidence based) points regarding not vaccinating during a pandemic. It's irresponsible, please stop. If you have the education of a nurse, and the privilege to take care of people at their worst times, you are held at a higher standard; don't be flippant with the position and pedestal you stand on. 

 

The ANA and states Board of Nursing needs to start holding these nurses responsible for the misinformation and disinformation being out there.

 

**I agree that if there is a medical condition that does not allow someone to be vaccinated, that is a different circumstance. But that is not the conversation being had here**

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4 hours ago, emtb2rn said:

It’s the pin. I’d get a kepa if they have one, love to rock that at shul if I ever go back. God & I have an agreement that I can think about her on the mountain instead of sitting in shul thinking about the mountain. 

Someone can make you one on Etsy.

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6 minutes ago, FutureNP90 said:

As I read this, I get the impression that this forum was created to find "like minds" to rally together and try to make "valid" (by valid I mean opinion based, unsubstantiated and non evidence based) points regarding not vaccinating during a pandemic. It's irresponsible, please stop. If you have the education of a nurse, and the privilege to take care of people at their worst times, you are held at a higher standard; don't be flippant with the position and pedestal you stand on. 

That's exactly the intention aeb the inability of those arguing for acceptance of poor decision making to engage in actual discussion of the reasons that the unvaccinated provide for not vaccinating.  It seems that the true purpose is to pretend that those encouraging vaccination are little more than rude bullies who won't consider other opinions while demonstrating that there are no valid reasons to remain unvaccinated outside of true contraindication. Those who don't want to vaccinate quickly stop wanting to talk about their reasons and want to, instead, complain about how they are treated...it's a pattern of behavior. 

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If someone is unvaxxed they have absolutely no right to touch or be around a patient.  

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