Trump's DERP State

toomuchbaloney · Feb 5

Crusades said:

Interesting. Still more votes than Harris. Trump is doing everything he said he would do andbthe people ekected him. Trump wants the states to have primary governence so that is within the republic parameter and not "mob rule". I go into my residents room and they are watching CNN and MSNBC news. Legacy msm has become bias and unreliable.

Hahaha

He says that but you seem unaware that what he does is not consistent with what he tells his fan base about state's rights. I'm surprised that you haven't learned that yet.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Feb 5

I think "hanging by a thread" is a bit dramatic (but buckle up butter cup drama is heading your way), but also "handing back duties to the states" is a bit of an understatement in what we're seeing. Somewhere I think there's some misuse and limit testing of his powers as well as him trying to get the agenda going that he was voted in to do. (Although I don't think taking back the Panama Canal or taking responsibility for Gaza was part of that).

To me it's been a bit chaotic and hard to follow, perhaps that's part of his agenda, to keep us guessing and confused.

I understand a "reduction in force" is a classic money saving strategy, but I want to know why he wants the individual names of the people that were just doing their jobs in the FBI when they were assigned certain investigations.

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"Without any doubt Donald Trump is the most lawless and scofflaw president we have ever seen in the history of the United States,” said Laurence Tribe, one of the nation's leading constitutional scholars and a professor emeritus at Harvard Law School.

Tribe said Trump has carried out "a blitzkrieg on the law and the constitution. The very fact that the illegal actions have come out with the speed of a rapidly firing Gatling gun makes it very hard for people to focus on any one of them. That's obviously part of the strategy.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/01/trump-executive-orders-constitution-law

toomuchbaloney · Feb 5

Tweety said:

I think "hanging by a thread" is a bit dramatic (but buckle up butter cup drama is heading your way), but also "handing back duties to the states" is a bit of an understatement in what we're seeing. Somewhere I think there's some misuse and limit testing of his powers as well as him trying to get the agenda going that he was voted in to do. (Although I don't think taking back the Panama Canal or taking responsibility for Gaza was part of that).

To me it's been a bit chaotic and hard to follow, perhaps that's part of his agenda, to keep us guessing and confused.

I understand a "reduction in force" is a classic money saving strategy, but I want to know why he wants the individual names of the people that were just doing their jobs in the FBI when they were assigned certain investigations.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/01/trump-executive-orders-constitution-law

Sure, it's a bit dramatic right up until it isn't. The pathway to fascism is paved with calls to calm down. We are talking about a mentally ill and corrupt man who expected his last VP to break the law for him and then incited a mob to attack the Capitol in a desperate attempt to retain lost power. That coup attempt has never stopped, it just morphed. And here we are.

What Trump is doing with Musk is NOT in line with the thinking of our founders at all. The Federalist Papers were pretty clear about the thinking when this country was founded. Do not be lulled into thinking is not that bad by the tepid and complicit reporting of all of the major media conglomerates. Remember, big print media widely decided, immediately before this election that they should abandon their long histories of endorsing a candidate. Why would they do that?

Trump shows us over and over in word and deed that he is mentally unwell and terribly dangerous. He thrives in chaos both because that is a consequence of his chaotic thought patterns, and because chaos is a strategy of fascists.

You know why Trump wants those names.

toomuchbaloney · Feb 5

Crusades said:

What is "unusual and dangerous behavior" in your opinion? Trump takes a deep breath? Or anything you feel you don't like?

I guess you haven't been paying attention to what I've been writing in these threads. Why is that?

Crusades · Feb 5

toomuchbaloney said:

I guess you haven't been paying attention to what I've been writing in these threads. Why is that?

How could I not? It's repetative and constant. Everything is the same. And hasn't changed from before Trump became your president again.

Crusades · Feb 5

toomuchbaloney said:

Sure, it's a bit dramatic right up until it isn't. The pathway to fascism is paved with calls to calm down. We are talking about a mentally ill and corrupt man who expected his last VP to break the law for him and then incited a mob to attack the Capitol in a desperate attempt to retain lost power. That coup attempt has never stopped, it just morphed. And here we are.

What Trump is doing with Musk is NOT in line with the thinking of our founders at all. The Federalist Papers were pretty clear about the thinking when this country was founded. Do not be lulled into thinking is not that bad by the tepid and complicit reporting of all of the major media conglomerates. Remember, big print media widely decided, immediately before this election that they should abandon their long histories of endorsing a candidate. Why would they do that?

Trump shows us over and over in word and deed that he is mentally unwell and terribly dangerous. He thrives in chaos both because that is a consequence of his chaotic thought patterns, and because chaos is a strategy of fascists.

You know why Trump wants those names.

Hahaha. You said all that the last time. Is he for real real going to be Hitler this time? For reals?

I can't wait to hear what you say when the stats are out on how much fentanyl has been kept out of the country and the OD death rates drop due to his actions. How many lives are saved.

Even you will be hard pressed to spin that into your fascist dictator narrative. Hmmm? You'll probably give credit to Biden some how. Perhaps his weak border actions he placed at the end of his presidency when he saw what the voters were concerned about.

We'll see......

nursej22, MSN, RN · Feb 5

According to the New York Times, the CIA sent a list of employees hired in the last 2 years, via unclassified email. And now, I predict the nation's enemies have that list, too.

This is some of that dangerous behavior that TMB posts about.

Crusades · Feb 5

nursej22 said:

What is the fantasy? That federal employees were blocked from their workplace? That electronic access was revoked? That they were locked out of personnel data?

Whose fantasy would that be? Trump's? Musk's? Yours?

Your and Baloney's fantasy. That Musk has access to "classified information ". Still no evidence yet? = fantasy

Tweety, BSN, RN · Feb 5

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The access, approved by Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent on Friday, gives Musk and his team entry into a system responsible for trillions of dollars in government payments, including Social Security checks and tax refunds.

DOGE's role, which was previously focused on reducing the number of federal workers, slashing programs, and cutting regulations, now extends to scrutinizing taxpayer transactions.

https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-doge-treasury-personal-info-2025230

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"There's no community of Americans that this system does not touch, and so I think the concern is that access to this system including personally identifiable information has been ceded to the president's billionaire friend for reasons that are passing understanding," Donald K. Sherman, executive director and chief counsel of the watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, told CBS MoneyWatch.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/musk-treasury-social-security-access-federal-payment-system-trump/

Tweety, BSN, RN · Feb 5

Crusades said:

Would you consider universities, media, celebrity that is predominantly left leaning and in some cases radically left leaning as a "propaganda apparatus"?

Or the Biden administration pressuring social media to censor certain people from saying certain things? Or insisting of "fact checks" that were politically motivated?

Nah. None of that matter does it?

Nice deflection to Biden as usual. Liberal media, liberal professors and celebrities have been that way for as long as I can remember. But no, I wouldn't consider them propaganda apparatus. Most are expressing their political views.

I give people conservatives the same break, particularly those in the country music industry and Fox News. People are allowed to express their views without being considered propaganda.

I'm not sure what you mean about politically motivated fact checks but politicians being fact checked is nothing new. My local newspaper has been doing it for many years now and this includes fact checking Biden and catching him in some of his lies.

toomuchbaloney · Feb 6

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2025-02-05/dei-watch-list-site-decried-as-intimidation-of-federal-worker

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The head of the organization that created a website featuring the names, photos and other information of federal health workers says the site is part of an overall effort to "root out" diversity, equity and inclusion within the U.S. government.

Critics say it's a form of intimidation.

Why is it important to root out diversity in the US government? Why is it bad to have equity in our federal government? Is it better if the government is inequitable or unfair in its practices and policies? Can anyone explain why a inclusive work environment is not acceptable?

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The "DEI Watch List" site was created by the American Accountability Foundation, a nonprofit that says it deploys "aggressive research and investigations to advance conservative messaging, rapid response, and Congressional investigations; while heavily scrutinizing politicians, bureaucrats, and establishment organizations, policies, and projects

The site features the names, photos and other information of dozens of federal workers – many of whom are minorities working in health-related agencies like the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the National Institutes of Health.

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Jones says the site is part of a project that began last November to highlight individuals at various levels of government that he says are responsible for "promoting a divisive and dangerous DEI agenda.”

"We started focusing on the health care agencies because we think that's one of the most dangerous places to be putting racial and identity politics in front of merit because at the end of the day it ends up killing people,” Jones says. "What we wanted to do is say, 'Look, these are people who are out of step and biased against efforts to root out DEI within the federal government and they're a poor fit for the positions they're in and they shouldn't be in those positions any longer.’”

To bigots and racists, anyone in a government position who is not male or not white or has a disability is assumed to be less qualified than other potential or imagined candidates for a job. That's what DEI means to them. DEI is a bad thing to the political party populated mostly by white men. Who might have guessed.

Home Health Columnist / Guide · Feb 7

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/02/06/elon-musk-doge-access-personnel-data-opm-security/