Voter suppression is UnAmerican and can not be tolerated. Majority Vets get their meds shipped via USPS -60,000/day
Philadelphia Inquirer 8/14/2020
Trump’s assault on Postal Service and voting is a plot against American democracy | Editorial
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On Thursday morning, after months of attacks on the United States Postal Service and vote-by-mail, President Donald Trump admitted that the two efforts are connected as a part of one voter disenfranchisement effort. In a Fox Business Network interview, Trump said that the sticking point for him in the negotiations over a new coronavirus economic relief package is Post Office funding: “If we don’t make a deal, that means they don’t get the money. That means they can’t have universal mail-in voting. They just can’t have it.”
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43 minutes ago, Iluvboba said:
This whole thread is pure propaganda, the person above is even mentioning Hitler LOL. Get help people.
It seems like maybe you don't know what propaganda is. Oh well.
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On 8/14/2020 at 12:38 PM, Daisy4RN said:
I don't think that protecting the election from fraud and trying to save tax payers from bailing out the post office (which has been mismanaged for years) is an "assault" on the post office. The post office wants 25 billion dollars, does anyone really think that is all bc of covid. We all know that Russia and other countries are trying to influence the election, plus there have already been instances of voter fraud via mail. Anyone who requests a mail in ballot can get one. The post office needs to fix its own mess, not taxpayers, IMO. That is not unamerican!
We can go back and forth about historic fraud, waste and abuse in federal agencies, a long-identified punching bag for both sides. Republicans tend to point to social service agencies, while Democrats tend to point to defense-related bureaucracies.
However, Trump is unique in his blatant use of those federal agencies or federally funded agencies to advance his political objectives. He doesn't have a problem declaring something true or false based on sketchy or incomplete sources.. I don't doubt for a moment his assault on the postal service is both deliberate and accelerating as he sees his reelection slipping away.
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4 minutes ago, nursel56 said:
We can go back and forth about historic fraud, waste and abuse in federal agencies, a long-identified punching bag for both sides. Republicans tend to point to social service agencies, while Democrats tend to point to defense-related bureaucracies.
However, Trump is unique in his blatant use of those federal agencies or federally funded agencies to advance his political objectives. He doesn't have a problem declaring something true or false based on sketchy or incomplete sources.. I don't doubt for a moment his assault on the postal service is both deliberate and accelerating as he sees his reelection slipping away.
He said as much.
It's important to be realistic about authoritarians and what they are capable of. Trump has already questioned the validity of the election, he's already sown seeds of suspicion and made unsupported claims of fraud. How many more red flags do we need?
Sure, you could say that Biden is a well known and pathological liar who was unfaithful to each of his 3 wives, but it wouldn't be true. You can suggest that Obama or Biden lie or have lied as much or with the intent of Trump, but the public evidence doesn't support that belief.
What we know is that authoritarians are evil and they will ultimately commit evil crimes if unchecked. We know that Hitler was such a man. We know that some Germans of the time could not discern that Hitler was an authoritarian and was engaged in evil endeavors. It is pathetic that history must, seemingly, be repeated because of propaganda and partisan thinking.
Having a civil discussion does not require that we avoid speaking truth or incorrectly assert that two things are the same when they are not. Trump is unlike any president of your or my lifetime, full stop. Personality and character matter. There are lots of competent politicians and public servants, we don't need to settle for a lying, corrupt, self serving conman. We need a president with compassion and empathy. Absence of those character traits can lead to evil ...
The GOP used to know and do better than that.
18 hours ago, Daisy4RN said:
I don't think he is evil any more than the many politicians who I don't necessarily agree with before him. Everything you say about Trump you can say about Biden. I don't like some of the things Obama/Biden admin did (for instance the creepy kissing everyone that Biden does, and the fact the Obama/Biden lied to we the people about the ACA, the racist policies of Biden past) but I would never call them evil, Hitler etc, to me that is just crossing the line. Agree to disagree and move on. I don't think we have ever, as a country, had this much incivility re: politics by some politicians, the news media and others, it is just sad and pathetic, IMO.
If we cant even have civil conversations with each other we are not moving forward as a people or country.
I have never liked 100% of any politicians/policies even those I have voted for. I have voted Dem, Rep, and Independent. I vote for who I feel (ie their policies) will do the best job for the country regardless of how I feel about their personality.
Realclear is not a news organization. This is just a couple of Wall St. brokers who decided to publish their own news blog. However, I did read the article and and I agree that mail-in voting is more fradulent than in person voting. But to dismiss it as an alternative in a pandemic when we can't get enough people to work at the in-person sites (the ones left after closing down sites in Democratic areas) is crazy. If the Covid positive rates in your town went up from 1% to 2%, would you close down the economy for that? I'm also the one that you are referring to (I think) as calling Trump Hitler. Incorrect. I called him Hitler-Lite because he is on the same continuum of evil players in the world. And you didn't answer my questions in a previous email so I can deduce that you are 1. OK with guys who grab teen girls by the crotch or 2. Are OK with guys that just brag about crotch grabbing. We do not have a choice in this election for any candidate I would have selected but you can't compare JB's shortcomings to Trump's. JB is sometimes clueless and caught in the 60's but his legacy will not be perverse or unDemocratic. Since your eyes and ears are closed to what is going on around you, perhaps you would drop you hands to watch what his own staff says: (an ad created by Republicans: https: youtu.be/KsLaAbzVb9E.
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I never received my absentee ballots in the mail so I ended up to opt for in person to avoid a second line each time. My local post office is incompetent. I get package sent back to where I ordered them saying my address was invalid-really been here 16 years. My neighbor has received my checkbooks and another neighbors immigration papers. I have received another neighbors mail order meds. I have no doubt if I tried for a mail in ballot I may never receive it, it may never get to its final destination, and someone else may get it by mistake.
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Postal Service says it will halt mailbox removals citing ‘customer concerns.. House reconvening Saturday to vote on postal bill. Keep writing your Senators and Representatives re USPS.
ABC News 8/17/2020
Pelosi calls House back into session to vote on Postal bill
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Democratic Speaker Nancy Pelosi is calling the House back into session this week to vote on a bill prohibiting the U.S. Postal Service from changing its operations or level of service.
...“In a time of a pandemic, the Postal Service is Election Central,” Pelosi wrote Sunday in a letter to colleagues, who had been expected to be out of session until September. “Lives, livelihoods and the life of our American Democracy are under threat from the president.".
At an event in Kentucky on Monday, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell distanced himself from Trump's complaints about mail operations. But he also declined to recall senators to Washington, vowing the Postal Service “is going to be just fine.”
"We’re going to make sure that the ability to function going into the election is not adversely affected,” McConnell said in Horse Cave, Ky. “And I don’t share the president’s concerns.”
On Monday, two lawmakers called on the FBI to investigate whether DeJoy or members of the Postal Board of Governors may have committed a crime in slowing the mail.
Rep. Ted Lieu, D-Calif., and Rep. Hakeem Jeffries, D-N.Y., cited reports that mail-sorting machines were being dismantled and policy changes have delayed mail delivery....
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On 8/14/2020 at 5:04 PM, toomuchbaloney said:
The USPS is an essential government service, not a business. The fabricated nonsense about mismanagement could better be applied to the DOD and Pentagon. The Postal Service is owned and supported by We the People and so We the People should take care of it.
Suggesting further intentional devastation of this service, during a pandemic, when it is KNOWN that such action will hamper mail-in voting is, indeed, anti American. It is a symptom of a sick "democracy" where the ruling class offers propaganda to explain away vote suppression and election tampering by the despot in charge of the whole show.
No, there is no body of evidence of voter fraud which informs this partisan fear. There is abundant evidence of conservatives pushing that propaganda while attempting to limit and suppress voting in ways to maintain or protect political power.
Voter fraud exists and its not something to make light of. There is a reason people fight against Voter ID laws and push towards encouraging illegal aliens to come into this country to gain votes. There isn't any evidence of "voter suppression" and its dangerous to believe morbidly obese conspiracy theorists like Stacey Abrams in Georgia.
Trump is just trying to protect the integrity of the election. Give the man a break, We have never had a president face the amount of adversity that President Trump has while in office.
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2 minutes ago, HCarroll362 said:
Voter fraud exists and its not something to make light of. There is a reason people fight against Voter ID laws and push towards encouraging illegal aliens to come into this country to gain votes. There isn't any evidence of "voter suppression" and its dangerous to believe morbidly obese conspiracy theorists like Stacey Abrams in Georgia.
Trump is just trying to protect the integrity of the election. Give the man a break, We have never had a president face the amount of adversity that President Trump has while in office.
More propaganda. Even Trump's own commission could not unearth evidence of widespread fraud and was disbanded when it could not validate Trump's claims.
Evidence of voter suppression is readily available for those who would see, it's one of our oldest constitutional challenges. We can't forget all of the ways that voters have been and continue to be disenfranchised in this country.
It's also dangerous to believe ACTUAL conspiracy theorists, like morbidly obese Donald J Trump, because Trump has been elevated to a very high and powerful bully pulpit by partisan voters.
As for facing adversity, Trump is a whiner, claiming victimhood and you are repeating it without considering what other presidents endured. It's almost embarrassing.
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1 hour ago, subee said:
Realclear is not a news organization. This is just a couple of Wall St. brokers who decided to publish their own news blog. However, I did read the article and and I agree that mail-in voting is more fradulent than in person voting. But to dismiss it as an alternative in a pandemic when we can't get enough people to work at the in-person sites (the ones left after closing down sites in Democratic areas) is crazy. If the Covid positive rates in your town went up from 1% to 2%, would you close down the economy for that? I'm also the one that you are referring to (I think) as calling Trump Hitler. Incorrect. I called him Hitler-Lite because he is on the same continuum of evil players in the world. And you didn't answer my questions in a previous email so I can deduce that you are 1. OK with guys who grab teen girls by the crotch or 2. Are OK with guys that just brag about crotch grabbing. We do not have a choice in this election for any candidate I would have selected but you can't compare JB's shortcomings to Trump's. JB is sometimes clueless and caught in the 60's but his legacy will not be perverse or unDemocratic. Since your eyes and ears are closed to what is going on around you, perhaps you would drop you hands to watch what his own staff says: (an ad created by Republicans: https: youtu.be/KsLaAbzVb9E.
Are you really comparing Trump to a man who killed 6 million Jewish people? What the hell is wrong with you? Trump being a little brash with women does not equate to genocide. I am curious if you used similar comparisons to Obama when he was in office celebrating the lives of genocidal terrorists and helping countries murder their elected leaders. You really need to educate yourself and stop making light of the holocaust.
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It seems like maybe you don't know what propaganda is. Oh well.
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