Tracking RN's...why not Docs too???

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Posted on Thu, May. 30, 2002

Hospital to track nurses

SYSTEM TO HELP PATIENTS RAISES PRIVACY CONCERNS

By Putsata Reang

Mercury News

http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/3364517.htm

A new high-tech tracking system at Washington Hospital that allows supervisors to track the whereabouts of their nurses is expected to help hospitals run more efficiently and patients get a nurse's attention faster.

However, some hospital employees say Big Brother may be watching a bit too closely.

``It's a violation of my privacy and a waste of resources,'' said Ken Krider, a nurse in the intensive care unit who opposes the new program. ``They'll see if I'm 30 seconds late or take a 31-minute break or go to the bathroom three times. I don't want that.''

Washington Hospital spokesman Christopher Brown said the Fremont hospital has not received any complaints about the tracking system from employees, adding it is intended to help patients. Administrators have yet to determine who must wear the badges and other requirements of the program, such as whether staff members would have to carry the badges at all times. However, he said, ``In order for a system like this to work, everyone has to take part.''

Washington Hospital will launch the real-time tracking system when it officially opens its newly remodeled sixth floor medical surgery unit next month. It has already been used in a pilot program on the third floor and there are plans to expand the system to the entire hospital.

The program, created by Michigan-based Versus Technology, would require nurses to wear infrared identification badges so that their supervisors -- and their patients -- can find them easily. Sensors about the size of a cup coaster placed on the ceiling will detect the nurse's badge and relay the information via infrared signals to a computer, which will record the location in real-time.

Versus Technology first tried the program at a Philadelphia pediatric hospital seven years ago. As many as 400 hospitals across the country -- including several in California -- now use the system for various purposes including tracking down a patient file and locating a person, said Stephanie Bertschy, Versus' director of marketing.

In addition to tracking people instantly, the system would create a record of how long a patient waited for a nurse to arrive after pushing a call button, how many times the nurse was in the room, and how long he or she stayed. Once the nurse enters the patient's room, the call button automatically turns off.

``I could see where my nurses are if a doctor is looking for a specific nurse,'' said Alice Santos, a 23-year veteran of Washington Hospital and director of the medical and surgical nursing program on the third floor, which launched the pilot. ``Otherwise, you're running up and down the hall trying to find the nurse.''

Santos said the system also cuts back on the noise in hospitals as fewer people are paged over intercoms.

``We're not using it as a tool to monitor how long their breaks are,'' Santos said. ``We're not using it in a punitive method.''

However, privacy groups worry the system could be abused.

``The kind of environment they're working under now is one of total surveillance,'' said Sarah Andrews, research director at the Electronic Privacy Information Center, a public-interest research agency in Washington, D.C. ``You can be watched every time you go to the bathroom. It puts you in an uncomfortable situation.''

Andrews said there are no federal laws prohibiting this type of surveillance by an employer; however, individuals may have some grounds for legal action if their privacy is violated.

Krider said he's taken an informal poll of other staff members who share his same worries about privacy rights.

``For the nurses understaffed and overworked, this just adds a new unit of paranoia,'' Krider said.

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Contact Putsata Reang at [email protected] or (510) 790-7312

See both pro's and con's of this system...only seems fair for Doc's , Respiratory Therapy etc to be tracked too!IMO

Why not just fit nurses with those obedience collars in science fiction movies.

Administration could deliver a heck of an electric shock with a fairly small battery to try and solve short staffing logistics. Why stop there? If you are going to use nurses as scape goats for your lack of insight into staffing issues why not other things as well.

If you are the ceo and you have an argument with your wife.............just press a button to deliver a few volts to the nursing staff.

only got a million dollar bonus this year?...............juice 'em!

Four putt a green at the country club this morning?.............Insubordinate nurses!!!!!!.............make sure they get no more poridge either!

Patient lawsuits piling up like those annoying vacation requests from staff?..............Find a way to streamline blame of the nursing staff for everything by installing a system to "prove" thier insubordination and thus avoid court time for admin staff.

Next on the list?.....Colostomy bags for everyone..........real big ones.........eliminating those revenue-sucking potty breaks!

Yes Blueyes,cow bells are next until nurses get used to the weight..........LOL!:chuckle

LOL@Peeps!!!!!!!

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The Hospital i work at has this system in place. We were all issued the locators and we have a computer monitor that shows the location of everyone on the unit. They originally told us they would only be used to track pt calls and such and would not work on other floors, but when a nurse ws called on the carpet for being off the unit by the PACC (we have a centeralized call bell answering system..they page us when a pt calls) PACC being the central location...we all refused to wear the badges and noone wears then yet. The management knows better than to try to push the issue, as they would have a bunch of nurses tell them to stuff the badges where the sun does not shine....

Dave

(mine is in my backpack with a dead battery......)

Specializes in Home Health.

I personally like fedup's idea, I like how you think!! Remore control car, LOL!!!

I would not work in a place that did this to nurses. Good for you guys Dave, for not putting up with it!

To Dianah, I would be willing to carry a phone that vibrates, that way I could be aware that someone needs me without it ringing at the wrong time. What about the aggitated patient that has been sedated and is finally settled down and is drifting off. You think "thank god,she hasn't slept in 24 hours." then your damn phone rings.

Specializes in Med/Surg, Geriatrics.
Originally posted by fedupnurse

That is another huge issue I have with this. "So the doctors can find us..." What about when they don't call us back, if at all, for a long time and the patient is circling the drain? Maybe they should have to wear one and the families should have access to their whereabouts!

LOL at "circling the drain"! It's true, you know. They think nothing of implementing these dehumanizing and insulting practices for us ignorant and child-like nurses but they would never think of imposing on the God-like docs. GMAFB! What ticks me off are the nurses who just wear them like sheep, and then they say things like "This is a good thing for us. This will actually help us" as if administration thought of it for our benefit. I won't ever use them, that is where I draw the line.

I would leave mine on a CPR dummy at the nurses station.

What other professional would ever be told to wear house arrest devices? Funny you mention obedience collars, Peeps. The first time I heard of tracking devices I thought of Capt. Kirk & Mr. Spock in the episode wear they had them around their necks & were at the mercy of the Roman emperor-type guys who played puppet with them - & instilled a lot of pain. The whole idea that we wear these things is so funny its not even funny.

And how is it that DOCTORS are deciding what the NURSES do?

I doubt any unionized nurses will agree to this. So thats that.

But if non-union nurses get ordered to wear them, whats to stop them from taking a collective action together anyway & leaving them on a counter somewhere? Everyday. All of them. Its not like theyre chained to your uniform. What can the hospital do if you all just say NO. Are they really going to fire everybody for not wearing them?

Specializes in RETIRED Cath Lab/Cardiology/Radiology.

Oramar, too bad the phones don't have a vibration option, for the reasons you presented . . . Dave, great solidarity!! Wonder what will come up next as a tracking system for ya???

I would never wear a tracking device. What BS. I am either in the staff room, the nurses station or with a patient, or on rare occasions I go to the cafeteria for lunch, during which time I don't care who is looking for me, they can wait!

I won't even use EZ pass in my car! Do they really think I use the same type of system on me????

-jt, wouldn't it be wonderful to see nurses sticking together and saying "NO WAY, we will not be treated like this". Oh would I love to see that!

Again, as long as the suits are worried about tracking our every move and what clothes we wear (thread in nsg mgmt!!) they will not be addressing and solving the real issues, ya know, poor working conditions, lousy pay and total lack of RESPECT!!!!!

we have those *@#*%& phones that are a huge pain in the butt. However, we do write our names and numbers outside of our patient rooms so if the docs are looking for us they can call and find us. Our phones have the vibration feature which makes it somewhat tolerable. But by far, my favorite feature is the silent button!!! IT makes the phone calls so much easier to ignore with the silent button on and the caller id.

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