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    "I don't know who to vote for?"

    I've lived in America all of my life. I have never been without healthcare coverage or a job for more than a month. For most government assistance I made too much money, even working in a fast food joint or I was the wrong race. I've enjoyed some great benefits from this country that got me over rough spots in my life even though I was at a disadvantage. There was a time in my life when I actualy lived in my car and fed myself from scraps off the plates I washed. People in this country HAVE all the benefits they need NOW. They have more available to them than I did. That could be why healthcare is not such an issue with the current administration. This is a good exercise in twisted logic.
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    Question from a Respiratory Therapist

    Farkinott, Why do you think I'm bitter about it? As far as I'm concerned, it's a great relief to not have to think that there's something wrong with me because I don't fully embrace the nursing model. I have a clear understanding of what those in the nursing model call 'blending" of the medical model into nursing care and the reasons I don't see it. Really, I'm not baiting you into an argument about either. I would like to know why you think that way. Of course, if you just want to bait me into a flame war, that's all that needs to be said.
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    Question from a Respiratory Therapist

    By Petrosian Same here. I "graduated" from Crestwood Career Academy that was in Tempe AZ. It closed a few years after due to the fact that they were a paper mill. I learned everything OJT after school. I passed the CRTT on the first try though. When I applied to finish my "degree" I was informed that NONE of my 62 credits would transfer, basicly because my school sucked. I have been working on my prerequisites for PA school for 3 years with 2 1/2 to go. I'm taking EMT classes and will be working an ambulance crew by fall semester so I can have recent patient care experience and don't have to show my respiratory "degree" as proof. I'm just going to pretend it never happened and let everyone think that I'm a natural. I'll just seem to catch on to airways, breath sounds and ABGs real easy.
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    Question from a Respiratory Therapist

    By Linda_Weg Don't fool yourself Linda. The world of nursing is many galaxies away from the medical model you've been dabbling in. In neonatology you're at the top of the heap among staff RTs but it's going to be a big letdown for you to realize that you have no PT care skills suddenly and you have no idea whatsoever what to do with that thingy, whatever it's called. I'm not saying that it is beyond your capabilities, just that nursing is so different from what you think it is. I came from the ranks of the superstar RTs after a little time away from the floor. I was a 4.0 student with a background of excellent clinical skills even beyond my vocation's requirements. I thought I was just going into another branch of medicine that had a little more intensive PT care. I had seen what nurses did and figured that I could do it too. I don't know what Excelcior's curicculum is like but you are not likely to notice much of what you know about medicine in it. It is a medevial circus of equipment you never knew existed with a psychosocial undertone of persistent distraction that portends to diagnose etiologies of some diseases you have never heard of. Trust me....................cut and paste this post to read it after you have been exposed to the world beneath the surface of what you see.
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    Does the scientist in you feel out of place in nursing school?

    Alex, I didn't intend for the entire post to be associated with the quote i used from you. Sorry for the misunderstanding. By Alexandres The foundation courses of nursing follow through the masters level as a basis for that theory. It would follow then that if a person fells estranged from the nursing curicculum in the foundation courses, then that will always be so to a degree which those courses apply.
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    Does the scientist in you feel out of place in nursing school?

    Alexandres, others. The base requirement for CRNA is a BSN with additional training. Science courses must be added to reach the prerequisite requirements for elegibility to apply to CRNA. There is also a requirement of a minimum of 1 year ICU experience so CRNA is a long way from the fundamental courses that would make a medicaly-minded student feel out of place. The individual course descriptions in those fundamental classes that set the foundation for all that will follow can speak to the heart of the student that feels out of place. I'll do a search but I want to stress and make very clear: 1:This is not a forum to point out fault or promote any program over another. 2:This is a thread dedicated to helping a student, that may or may not continue in nursing, to understand why they don't feel comfortable and offer commiseration. 3:This thread does not push students away from nursing, but rather, gets them on a path where they belong. If that path is a more medical track, they'll know it without having to talk badly about nursing or be told they are wrong to chose differently. 4: Keep the discussion objective. If you must make a subjective statement to relate to the subject preface it with respect. This is a place to feel good about our roles in healthcare and an oasis from our troubles. Please be careful. If you aren't sure let's discuss it by PM or email.
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    Does the scientist in you feel out of place in nursing school?

    By Cookie Would you be so kind as to post a course description or two from the fundamentals semester? I don't want to go with subjective statements. That just turns into an off-content brawl. Mission statement maybe? I did that in a thread once and people were amazed at the difference in objective vs subjective feelings that occured.
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    Does the scientist in you feel out of place in nursing school?

    Cookie, and others I appreciate your enthusiasm for nursing and I'm certainly not here to say that those that like science should not like nursing. Keep in mind that when discussing feelings about an adequacy of medical basis within a curicculum that it is subjective. You're not likely to hear this from a classmate that is silently suffering as I was. I'll use a former classmate as an example. She thought that the pharmacology and physiology applied to our courses was too detailed. I thought it was adequate but not applied to questions and lecture. She thought a course section about pharmacology should be about the patient,their family,comfot....etc, I thought it should stress drug-drug interaction, physiological response, correct dosing regieme.......anyway,who is right? Nobody. It is subjective. She thinks it's science based and I think it's not. I looked at alot of course desciptions before a gave it up all together. The basis for nursing care is psychology and sociology as I look at it objectively. I've observed that those that have a desire for those models of care feel that nursing is science based on the predilection to holistic thinking. Because of a predilection to medicine, psychology and sociology to me are not science models that I would consider as a foundation, rather just useful to the care of the patient. Because nursing involves constant patient contact, and any medical procedure comes with an order, it is understandable that psychology and sociology would lead the way and there wouldn't be much of a need for any other basis. That is not how it was presented to me by the counselor, my instrutors, or the course materials. It was presented as a blend of medical and nursing models..................in hindsight now, I can't see why it would be. If you or others don't feel that way.............good for you, but there are others that do and they can't speak of it to anyone or work it out with themselves that they aren't failures because they don't possess some unique nursing mind that would make them feel the same subjective feelings. They are here lurking.
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    Does the scientist in you feel out of place in nursing school?

    By Orrnlori I know the type :) I've also worked with nurses that were PIAs and thought they were medicly trained, which they aren't. Heck, I've met some doctors that thought they were doctors, but they aren't! :rotfl: The factor is in the clinical hours of medical training, actualy putting didactic medical education into practice. Nobody is above the right of passage.
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    Does the scientist in you feel out of place in nursing school?

    By Hobbes Good point. There's nothing wrong with buying more texbooks, CD-Roms, or registering for classes that are not required like genetics and patho for premeds. The same enthusiasm can be applied to learning psychosocial variance as a medical clinician. I'm going to start the chemistry classes this fall. I will be doing all of them as a prerequisite. What did you use to prepare for chemistry classes?
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    Does the scientist in you feel out of place in nursing school?

    By Pennylane edited to reflect the original poster.........which is right above this............sorry Pennylane. It's only been a week off of ephedra. Good for you Mel. My experience was a mirror image of yours. Science was skimmed and psychosocial anything was stressed. My A&P professor wrote any science topics for them because they were incapable or apathetic. I only know that because I was consulted to give feedback by my A&P prof. Still, I look at medical diagnosis and treatment as having elements of caring which would be considered in the nursing theories somewhere. I can't see that it deserves the attention to such detail to become proficient at it though.
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    Does the scientist in you feel out of place in nursing school?

    Actualy it's not off subject because it gives an opportunity to compare and contrast the different feelings that the phrase "touchy-feely" brings to mind. To me it's a way of expressing the way nursing theory seems to base itself in communicating, social variance, feelings, psychology, subjectiveness. To me that is what the phrase means anyway.
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    Does the scientist in you feel out of place in nursing school?

    No, I'm not selling anything. :) The only reason I post this once in awhile is to give advice to students that are going through what I was. Totally alone in my perceptions thinking there was something wrong with me. The use of the term "touchy-feely" is exactly the phrase I used for it. Advice: Do not use it at school. Do not expect to be helped through your frustration by confiding it to instructors or other nursing theorists. Use it very sparingly in the open forum for the same reasons. Keep in mind that the PM (private message) system can be used for our communications. It seems insane, but most consider it heresy to insinuate that the medical-model is a good thing. There may be instructors at your school that will use any posts you make to try to find you out. The moderators here are watching too. It sounds paranoid, but if you intend on staying in nursing just trust what I'm saying That being said, let me introduce myself: I'm currently working on a BS in clinical laboratory science in a pursuit of a PA degree. I went into nursing because of the way it was presented as a blending of nursing care and medicine, which I had always thought was the same.......by now you know it isn't. I thought a BSN was a great stepping stone to my dream of diagnosing and treating disease. I felt that nursing theory would be an addition to medical training in nursing school but soon found out after starting the curicculum that psychosocial theory dominated everything about it, even the etiology of disease. To a person that prefers the organized structure of science this is not possible. I tried to get "cured" of medical thinking by jumping into careplans but there is no way that will ever be useful to me as a clinician. Psychosocial theory applied to patient care dominates the curicculum and is constant throughout all the training. Once I looked at NP curicculum and compared it to PA prerequisites and clinical training I realized I would not be the clinician I hoped to become through nursing. I took a bold step and my 7 credits of nontransferable but applied "B" on my perfect GPA and started being happy to go to school again. How do you relate to this?
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    Does the scientist in you feel out of place in nursing school?

    No, not at all. The reason it's kind of vague is that I have alot of respect for the excellent BB that has be developed here. There is nothing like it on the net. I want to be very careful not to make people that love nursing school feel like they have to defend anything. Lets just be guarded of our emotions and make observation. I got into nursing because it was presented as a blending of what one would contrast between nursing care and medical care. I wanted to either be a PA or NP because I wanted to diagnose and treat disease. I thought a BSN would be a great foundation for me since there was a blend and I tend to be compassionate. Through the sciences like A&P and Microbiology I started to get excited as my application time approached. I could apply what I had learned to case studies and sought out new scientific challenges. I suffered through psychology, though I got an "A" and the other prerequisites. I started nursing school but found that psychosocial theory dominated, even to the point of etiology of disease. There was no outlet for the A&P and Micro that had more than a passing reference for me. That was a warning sign that I did not belong, but I moved on. An seemingly vital portion of the duration of a nurse's training involves careplanning. Careplans are completely alien to anyone so it's understandable that I had trouble understanding the value of their content, however, as my understanding grew, so did my frustration. I constantly tried to apply science, but got scolded for having medical application instead of nursing. Then the light went on. I looked into the NP curriculum having a good idea what all the classes were about and the reason for the difference in the way NP and PA training indoctrinates. I didn't think that I could make the leap to medical training with a nursing background, so I simply chose the correct path. I'm pursuing a degree in Medical Laboratory Science so I can apply to PA school right now. I came to realize that this education will teach me the medical theory that I need to diagnose and treat patients effectively. I have simply come back for those people that are like I was then. There is nobody to talk to because you are seen as a heretic. I'm someone to talk to.
  15. I post from time to time to share my experiences and help those that are searching to be in a place in an academic career where they fit in. In my experience, students that love science have a hard time fitting into the psychosocial model of nursing. If you love nursing and the psychosocial model, please ignore my post. I'm not doing this to incite anyone to defend such an exaushtive and referenced theory. I am doing this for the students that think they have failed to grasp it because they aren't good students. They don't deserve such torture. I have helped persons that were like-minded choose a path towards a medical career. This is the key to your frustration. Nursing is not medical but you are. PM me or send to my email. If you want to discuss your possibilities ifor growth n this forum please keep it from being against nursing. This is not what I'm about. thehealingart@hotmail.com
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    my college is scaring me

    By Sussanna I never worked as a nurse. I got through a semester of nursing classes and decided that the idea of blending medical and nursing theory was not what I thought it would be. I am very satisfied with my decision although 7 credits of nontransferable "B" shows up on my overall GPA. I'm sure if you get to the ICU you'll be using some medical knowledge, some math and what I would call "medical intuition" but it will pale in comparison to actualy diagnosing and treating disease. You may form a relationship with doctors that allows you to express ideas about medical patient care, but those will be few and far between because your training as a nurse will be strictly nursing care. There is a big difference. I chose to become a physician assistant from the call of medical diagnosis and treatment. I can still care for patients on a personal level and not have the headaches of a physician's responsibility level. I wouldn't want to go into all the differences between medical training and nursing training but the nursing model is based in psychology and sociology, not medical science. Please do yourself a favor and read some mission statements from programs, ask to look at the curriculum.................look at the physician assistant training and see if that is more to your liking. Anyway, I am only available through this thread for now. My private messages from here are disabled and I expect to be outright revoked shortly. I'm not pursuing nursing any longer and that doesn't sit very well with most that regard it as an insult somehow. I've helped a few like us transition to the medical side. Next year one of them will be entering a PA masters program. Here's a little exercise for you that will give you great insight to the difference. Look up NANDA for nursing diagnosis and careplans. Compare that with what you think a medical profession would teach. Take note that in my careplans I was deducted for putting anything medical in them. Here is my email address if you are interested in talking about this further. Make the topic of it obvious so I don't think it's spam. thehealingart@hotmail.com