Who are these "know it all" nurses that frequent this forum? Are you here just to drive me crazy? I hate that we are no longer allowed to vent about our bad day or complain about annoying patients. Heaven forbid we say something negative or we will be labeled as "heartless" and "unprofessional." Are these people who know everything really nurses? Do they really deal with the public day in and day out like I do?
Sometimes patients need to be put in their place. That doesn't make me a bad nurse for telling them so. Yes I do have negative thoughts about my non compliant patient who doesn't have insurance and frequents my hospital 4 times a week for the same thing. Yes, getting your prescription filled and taking your medicine would save everyone a lot of time and headache... Whoops maybe I shouldn't have said that... that makes me a "complainer" and "uncaring." I guess I AM "what is wrong with nursing today."
And heaven forbid I wear my Tom and Jerry scrub top to work.. That makes me "brainless."
I bet now I will be labeled "cruel" or "harsh" for starting this "hateful" thread.
Yes, I must agree! I feel the pressure at work more now than a few years ago, and thus my negative rantings. I don't like it, but its like a bit of therapy to get on here and read and comment on such irritating issues that only nurses would understand! My hubby and family looks at me like I make this stuff up!
I frequent a few other boards and some are just chock full of those who take being sensitive to a whole new level..no one should have to deal with abuse or hateful language, but many mistake debate and disagreement for being "mean" and "harsh".. PC thinking taken to the extreme.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that while no one likes to be attacked, ultimately someone disagreeing with you is not going to hurt you. I couldn't care less if someone thinks I'm a bad nurse, (especially someone who isn't a nurse in the first place) because I know I'm not. We all have an opinion and have to be adult enough to realize that if we are going to post on a discussion forum, then we have to understand that there are going to be arguments and debate.
Ha, I made it a few years without ever putting someone on ignore-you have to be really obnoxious for me to do that! The one person that's on there isn't even a nurse, some guy that was attacking OR nurses because we should all rearrange the OR schedule and give him a male nurse, so none of the female nurses will see his member. I mentioned that it is downright impossible to do this in a trauma situation and was accused of not listening to my patients. Never mind that many come up on the trauma elevator bottoming out..
But, Modest Man is entitled to feel the way he does and to state his opinion..I am entitled to utilize all the smilies I like to express my opinion(the rolling eyes is my favorite, can you tell?) and to place him on ignore, because I don't feel that his input is useful to me. It's that simple.
i haven't mentioned it very much because i don't want it to be the first thing people think of when they see my username. i just want to be one of the gang here.
kathy
shar pei mom:paw::paw:
hail hail the gangs all here, ...... i also like to hear from you! once a nurse always a nurse im(not very humble)o
Specializes in Emergency Dept. Trauma. Pediatrics.
it's not the "heated discussions" that get threads closed down, but the inevitable personal attacks, that do.
i for one, am thrilled these parameters are in place.
life is filled with enough 'screw-you's'.
i appreciate that we are required/expected to use forethought and consideration when debating with others.
it's too bad this doesn't happen w/o tos.
it really IS possible to have impassioned debate, less the personal insults.
leslie
You make very good points. I love debates, I can get passionate especially when it's something that hits home to me. What I can't understand is when someone has to turn it into personal attacks. I have had people attack the type of mom I must be or my home life because they didn't like my opinion on a topic. I have come to realize though that those that have to hit below the belt and start attacking the person and not the argument and start attacking peoples lives they know nothing about do so because they don't have the intelligence to carry on the debate and maybe they somehow feel that attacking the poster on a personal level will let them "win". When in reality all I can do is laugh and roll my eyes at the ignorance of it all.
Usually once someone turns something into a personal attack, I don't take anything else they have to say seriously.
I see this same behavior when I take my kids to the park, only problem is, one place is filled with children and the other place is supposed to be adults.
Specializes in Emergency Dept. Trauma. Pediatrics.
Ha, I made it a few years without ever putting someone on ignore-you have to be really obnoxious for me to do that! The one person that's on there isn't even a nurse, some guy that was attacking OR nurses because we should all rearrange the OR schedule and give him a male nurse, so none of the female nurses will see his member. I mentioned that it is downright impossible to do this in a trauma situation and was accused of not listening to my patients. Never mind that many come up on the trauma elevator bottoming out..
But, Modest Man is entitled to feel the way he does and to state his opinion..I am entitled to utilize all the smilies I like to express my opinion(the rolling eyes is my favorite, can you tell?) and to place him on ignore, because I don't feel that his input is useful to me. It's that simple.
I won't lie, I am far to nosey to put someone on ignore. I want to see their posts even if I do just roll my eyes and laugh at the post.
I guess I will know if you see or reply to this if I am on the ignore list. JUST KIDDING
I learned long ago not to let things get to me and for the most part I don't. About 10 years ago when I first started becoming active on online forums, I would find myself getting so mad and angry over some things. One day I literally sat back and thought, WHAT THE HECK. This is the internet, I don't know this person from bob and although I have found and met some wonderful people that I originally posted with on message boards, I don't allow myself to ever get upset like I used to again. It's not worth it. Sure I get frustrated with some things and annoyed, but I don't ever let it affect my personal life. Most of the times I literally am laughing at a lot of the stuff. It really does crack me up how angry some people get. Like I can picture them slamming away at their keyboard and swearing at the screen.
How I am online though I am the same in person. I am a very assertive opinionated person and I would have no problem telling someone how I feel if it was appropriate.
I wouldn't mind being allowed to act like adults and have more heated discussions... whenever a thread gets the slightest bit heated it's closed for "staff review" and never reappears.
We don't, as a rule, closed threads simply for being intense. I actually like heated discussions so long as they focus on topics and information. What I don't enjoy, and what gets a thread shut down, is a veering away from the subject matter into personal territory where people start ripping each other's education, motives, culture, life experience, politics, spiritual beliefs and choice of condiments. Sarcasm and condescension ricochet through the air. Offense is easily given and taken. People forget that this is only virtual reality and lose all sense of propriety and proportion. We can clean up and repair personal gibes to a point, but when the fur keeps flying despite our best attempts, it may be time to pack it in. Some threads can't be saved. And some can, but at such a great cost in time and effort that staff members (who are all volunteers) don't see the expenditure as justified.
Keep in mind that a lot goes on behind the scenes that may not be readily apparent. Some threads have many posts (made by increasingly belligerent members) removed before we decide to call it a day, and that doesn't show. Posts are reported, PMs fly in all directions, members are referred to the Admin Help Desk with their concerns, and occasionally points are assessed for ongoing and/or serious infractions. None of this is visible, but I share it with you so that you can see we aren't as frivolous as it may sometimes seem with closing or removing threads.
We get requests all the time to close threads or delete posts. Often people report something as being an attack (against TOS) when it's only dissenting (not against TOS) or just kind of blunt. Disagreement, even if it's less than diplomatic, is allowed so long as it's based on the subject matter and not laced with nastiness.
Some boards are so flame-broiled you could fry burgers on their pages. Others don't let you say boo for fear of bunching somebody's undies. I like to think AN lies somewhere between the raw reality of a biker bar and the fairytale atmosphere of Disneyland.
Do we always get it right? Despite our best efforts, no. But do we try? Yup. We surely do.
Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.
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QUOTE=emtb2rn;4250698]Agree that it seems folks don't use the search function much. See so many of the same questions posted ad nauseum. Hmmm 4 of zofran perhaps?
That used to bug me, but it doesn't anymore. Posting on allnurses doesn't follow the Google search model. In fact, they might get more info from doing the Google search than they will by tossing it out to the members and awaiting a response- which sometimes takes 3 or 4 days. People come here for immediacy and a need to interact with others. If it came to a choice- I'd rather have a bazillion "shut off at 75- what does that mean????" thread titles than someone search "shut off at 75", get their avalanche of results, and go away without posting anything. They miss quite a bit of what's unique about allnurses- it's dynamic format.
Back to the OP's points that refer to "the Other" thread, I'm totally generalizing here- but every couple of months or so, a pre-nursing student will descend from on high and bless us with "The Ten Problems You Have" or "Just Some Observations"(code for verbal evisceration) They were a somethin-or-other at XYZ Corporation, you see. That means they're special. It also means, at long last, someone has finally rescued us from ourselves. :bow: Thank you, oh thank you so much! Teamwork! Who knew? The thing is, these posts all sound the same. Also, to borrow a phrase I am talking about SOME, not ALL people who come from prior careers that caused their egos to grow into monstrous proportions.
The people who want to tell us how negative we are! So catty! "I've read this entire thread and---" Why? Seriously, what really motivates a person to torture themselves reading through 95 posts just so they can tell us how messed up we are? Geez, go read Success Stories in Nursing or keyword search "hugs" (197 posts-hugs 38 posts-hugz :)) and leave us to do our thing- we have some really great moderators here. Uh, oh. I turned this into a rant, didn't I? I'm sorry. :angthts:
Do we always get it right? Despite our best efforts, no. But do we try? Yup. We surely do.
I have been admin and mod at another web forum, albeit with only a few thousand members and not even nearly as large as this one, so I do appreciate what it takes and have no problem with the mods. The board I ran had many dissenting opinions in much less polite terms than here, but it was necessary to delete/close a post/thread very very rarely over 10 years.
I assume it's a site-wide policy and not due to individual mods. In fact, almost all of the mods I have ever had dealings with has been sensible and measured, and I really appreciate the time they donate.
if it came to a choice- i'd rather have a bazillion "shut off at 75- what does that mean????" thread titles than someone search "shut off at 75", get their avalanche of results, and go away without posting anything.
[color=sienna]i have no interest in those posts, and don't understand why posters think we have the ability or the desire to predict their results. i can actually get pretty frustrated with these posts because back in the day we had to wait months. instant gratification seems to be the rule today, and if you don't have the results within the hour come to allnurses where you nervous narcissistic breakdown is welcomed. (yes i'm an old crank, i know it, and i've embraced it.)
"i've read this entire thread and---" why?
[color=sienna]i would rather people actually read the thread before they comment. seems crazy to have 5 different people ask the same questions or say the same thing.
Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
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the people who want to tell us how negative we are! so catty! "i've read this entire thread and---" why? seriously, what really motivates a person to torture themselves reading through 95 posts just so they can tell us how messed up we are? geez, go read success stories in nursing or keyword search "hugs" (197 posts-hugs 38 posts-hugz :)) and leave us to do our thing- we have some really great moderators here. uh, oh. i turned this into a rant, didn't i? i'm sorry. :angthts:
what bugs me is the folks who jump in and say "i haven't got time to read the whole thread, but you guys have it all wrong because . . ." if you're going to verbally eviscerate a whole group of people, make sure what you're talking about first! don't just make blanket judgments based on the first few posts in a lively thread!
Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.
Good points Canoehead and Ruby! I'm in such a good mood I'm not even upset that Ruby makes me feel old by forcing me to enlarge her responses to 125% even though she's near my age and should know better. Ha ha ha, I kid you, Ruby. :)
The one person that's on there isn't even a nurse, some guy that was attacking OR nurses because we should all rearrange the OR schedule and give him a male nurse, so none of the female nurses will see his member. I mentioned that it is downright impossible to do this in a trauma situation and was accused of not listening to my patients. Never mind that many come up on the trauma elevator bottoming out..
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JUST KIDDING
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Seriously, what really motivates a person to torture themselves reading through 95 posts just so they can tell us how messed up we are? Geez, go read Success Stories in Nursing or keyword search "hugs" (197 posts-hugs 38 posts-hugz :)) and leave us to do our thing- we have some really great moderators here. Uh, oh. I turned this into a rant, didn't I? I'm sorry. :angthts:.thumb.gif.11fa0ddb3aacfb1b3953bc671abcfb7e.gif){kind=avatar}
GadgetRN71, ASN, RN
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I guess what I'm trying to say is that while no one likes to be attacked, ultimately someone disagreeing with you is not going to hurt you. I couldn't care less if someone thinks I'm a bad nurse, (especially someone who isn't a nurse in the first place) because I know I'm not. We all have an opinion and have to be adult enough to realize that if we are going to post on a discussion forum, then we have to understand that there are going to be arguments and debate.