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ladycody has 8 years experience as a BSN, RN and specializes in CWON.

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On 4/27/2020 at 8:57 AM, hherrn said:

If somebody gets shot with a 9mm while wearing a body armor and only sustained a bruise, they don't then think a 9mm is pretty much like a bb gun.

Plenty of analogies- point is that if we somehow manage to keep the death rates similar, it will have been at the expense of the most massive mitigation effort in human history.

This is perfect.  We also need to look at the recovery numbers.  The recoveries listed don't show how many are seriously worse for wear...like not OK anymore.  Flu recoveries are not generally nursing home bound for the long hall the way so many Covid patients are after an extended hospital stay.  This disease is just sooo different I can't wrap my head around nurses here can pooh-pooh it with such comparisons. 

I do think we need to reopen to some extent for the economy and mental health of the population at large...but it needs to be done with care and intelligence and I don't feel like that is happening.  Businesses and venues that require close contact are resuming before those where distancing is easier to control.  Am just blown away by healthcare workers, in particular, that don't understand how big this little virus is.  It's got chops.

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InTheLongRun has 14 years experience.

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This is NOTHING like the flu and frankly I would call into question the motives of any politician or medical professional making this claim by now.

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1 hour ago, InTheLongRun said:

This is NOTHING like the flu and frankly I would call into question the motives of any politician or medical professional making this claim by now.

^^^^^^^ this.

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On 4/27/2020 at 9:26 AM, Emergent said:

The economic impact on the rest of America is a very big part of this discussion. Economic damage to people will also cause a myriad of Health problems. It's all part of the equation.

There are a lot of people who have a steady income still, weather it is retirement income or that there jobs are unaffected by the shutdown. I'm noticing that those people are more likely to expect others to take a hit, often accusing them of not caring that people are dying. There are a lot of guilt trips being laid on people.

 

 

So, I worked 3 jobs before this pandemic, and now I'm down to 1.  I'm struggling to get by.  I sold my car for rent.  Odds are, I'm not going to suddenly end up with a chronic disease over the next couple months.  This virus is a bigger threat to my health than having to cut back on some luxuries for a while.  But clearly, my views never mattered to you.  I'm just a pawn that you can use to make your argument against doing what's right.

I'd rather be poor than dead.  I'll take this struggle over a way higher risk of what could become a very painful death.  I'll get a new car.  I'll get all my bills current again.  But I won't come back to life if I die.

This is why we accuse you of not caring that people are dying.  You expect me to risk my life because you want my jobs open.  Me mixing you a drink is more important to you than me not being in contact with 100s of people from the general public every day, 5 days a week.  You don't care that people are dying, and you don't care what risks I'd have to take by getting back behind the bar.  All you care about is that you're minorly inconvenienced and I'm not waiting on you.

And a year from now, I'm going to contribute way more to the economy than I will if I die this year.  You're obsessing with right now, not thinking that the economy exists long after this virus is gone. We either take a temporary hit now and rebuild, or we can increase our death rate and cause long-term damage.

I'm worth more than your uneducated political opinion, so leave me out of them.

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1 hour ago, TheDudeWithTheBigDog said:

So, I worked 3 jobs before this pandemic, and now I'm down to 1.  I'm struggling to get by.  I sold my car for rent.  Odds are, I'm not going to suddenly end up with a chronic disease over the next couple months.  This virus is a bigger threat to my health than having to cut back on some luxuries for a while.  But clearly, my views never mattered to you.  I'm just a pawn that you can use to make your argument against doing what's right.

I'd rather be poor than dead.  I'll take this struggle over a way higher risk of what could become a very painful death.  I'll get a new car.  I'll get all my bills current again.  But I won't come back to life if I die.

This is why we accuse you of not caring that people are dying.  You expect me to risk my life because you want my jobs open.  Me mixing you a drink is more important to you than me not being in contact with 100s of people from the general public every day, 5 days a week.  You don't care that people are dying, and you don't care what risks I'd have to take by getting back behind the bar.  All you care about is that you're minorly inconvenienced and I'm not waiting on you.

And a year from now, I'm going to contribute way more to the economy than I will if I die this year.  You're obsessing with right now, not thinking that the economy exists long after this virus is gone. We either take a temporary hit now and rebuild, or we can increase our death rate and cause long-term damage.

I'm worth more than your uneducated political opinion, so leave me out of them.

Standing Ovation.  

 

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headofcurls has 4 years experience as a BSN, RN and specializes in Critical Care.

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Just coming to comment on how OP said the deaths would just be 60k. 👀

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4 hours ago, headofcurls said:

Just coming to comment on how OP said the deaths would just be 60k.

I think you might have misunderstood the OP (partly because of the formatting). HH was quoting other people. If you read the body of the post you will see that.

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On ‎4‎/‎27‎/‎2020 at 6:08 PM, AutumnLeaves said:

I am 63 years old.I have a clotting disorder,controlled afib and am obese.I have been a nurse for nearly 40 years,I have decades of critical care experience.I work  full time. I am so glad to know that I am so expendable,as  apparently all of the chronically ill or elderly are. 🙄

Hi, you quoted me, but I was quoting Emergent; it wasn't me who made that original statement, just clarifying :)

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On 5/2/2020 at 5:51 PM, hherrn said:

Crazy talk.
Nobody could have predicted this.
You would need the most advances scientific and intelligence apparatus in the world to distill this critical information and deliver it right to your desk on  daily basis in order to have known this was coming.
If only such a thing existed.......

 

I'm going to go with that was you being sarcastic   

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4 hours ago, Waiting for Retirement said:

Hi, you quoted me, but I was quoting Emergent; it wasn't me who made that original statement, just clarifying 🙂

I apologize. Appreciate your very nice way of pointing out my mistake.

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1 hour ago, InTheLongRun said:

I'm going to go with that was you being sarcastic   

I think "ironic" is a nicer way to put it.

Now the focus is that the Chinese government did not give us enough information to act proactively.  

His own experts knew what was coming.  Why would he listen to the Chinese instead of our own intelligence apparatus?

 

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43 minutes ago, hherrn said:

I think "ironic" is a nicer way to put it.

Now the focus is that the Chinese government did not give us enough information to act proactively.  

His own experts knew what was coming.  Why would he listen to the Chinese instead of our own intelligence apparatus? 

 

I don't know what the pass the blame flavor of the week is and I've gotten tired of listening to them and debunking them for people who obviously have no interest in the truth.

 

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