The abortion law builds on legislation passed in 2010 that represented a major shift for a traditionally Catholic country, transforming Spain into one of the most progressive countries in Europe on reproductive rights. Spain's constitutional court last week rejected a challenge by the right-wing Popular Party against allowing abortions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.
The debate will be heated in Spain, I imagine, as the conservative opposition pushes back. My daughter had horrible menstrual pain during her adolescence and young adulthood. I'm certain that she would have benefitted from that time.
It was a bad policy to separate children from family at the border as a no tolerance deterrent. That's what Trump and Sessions considered that cruelty at the border to be, a deterrent. It was intentional cruel to deter others.
It's ridiculous that republicans think that they need to elevate the crazy guy who lied about a national emergency and tried to overthrow the government in order to have coherent border policy. They've already demonstrated, as a party, that Trump's elevation in to power is more important.
Yes. Trump got together with whoever and decided that he intentionally wanted to take children away from their families for fun.
I'm not in favor of this policy however what happens when a parent a legal citizen is caught in the commission of a crime ? When the police have no other relatives to take the child when the parent is arrested?
What happens to US citizens that willfully place their children in dangerous situations? They get charged with child endangerment and most likely will have their child removed.
Paying criminals to smuggle your children accross the border and/or crossing the border with your children is endangering children.
I do not see a problem with deterring child endangerment.
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Crusades said:
Yes. Trump got together with whoever and decided that he intentionally wanted to take children away from their families for fun.
I'm not in favor of this policy however what happens when a parent a legal citizen is caught in the commission of a crime ? When the police have no other relatives to take the child when the parent is arrested?
What happens to US citizens that willfully place their children in dangerous situations? They get charged with child endangerment and most likely will have their child removed.
Paying criminals to smuggle your children accross the border and/or crossing the border with your children is endangering children.
I do not see a problem with deterring child endangerment.
Yes. Trump decided that rather than detaining children WITH family members for the MISDEMEANOR crime of illegal border crossing, he would intentionally separate children, some of them quite young, from their family members. Apparently you believe that's justified, if I read your comment correctly. Trump has lots of Americans justifying lots of really horrible stuff.
I just can't wait to see what kind of cruelty Trump supporters will justify when Trump starts rounding up millions of immigrants and holds them in camps while he undertakes mass deportations. What could possibly go wrong under the careful watch of a mentally ill sociopath who lacks empathy.
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Crusades said:
I don't think inappropriate material should be accessible to children. Simple as that. Just like I don't think alcohol should be accessible to children. What's next? Going to accuse conservatives of trying to bring back prohibition?
You just think that right wing extremists are removing books because the extremists said the books are inappropriate. You repeat their justifications for the removals and bans because you believe them.
Trump's conservatives will limit whatever they decide should be limited in a Trump centered society. That's how authoritarian dictatorships function. If they don't think the public should have access to alcohol then the public won't have access. Who knows what crazy stuff a vindictive and crazy man will do with unlimited power and immunity from all laws.
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Crusades said:
I would post an example but I will get flagged for TOS vulgar content violation. Think about that.
Sure. And then you would claim that whatever passage you posted as an example was available to grade school students or something because that is exactly the dishonest game that the right wing extremists play in this attempt to remove literature that they don't like from schools.
I have thought quite a great deal about it after having read quite a bit about the fascist efforts employed by these extremists in banning books.
Beerman said:
Yep. He said he couldn't do anything about the border without new legislation. Bad polling on this issue in election year changed his mind.
Anything a president can do is easily undone by the next president. We need legislative reform.
Yep. He said he couldn't do anything about the border without new legislation. Bad polling on this issue in election year changed his mind.
I almost acknowledged that in my post that this happened in an election year, but figured you would catch that.
Still, both sides could have rolled up their sleeves and tried to solve the crisis a long while back. Republicans seem to want to kick the can so as not to have things go well in an election year.
Politics.
Oh and speaking of polls.
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Most voters blamed the Biden administration's "lack of enforcement" for the situation, with 71 percent placing a great deal or some blame on the current administration. However, a clear majority also holds former President Trump's administration and Senate Republicans responsible, with at least 57 percent assigning a great deal or some.
Yes. Trump decided that rather than detaining children WITH family members for the MISDEMEANOR crime of illegal border crossing, he would intentionally separate children, some of them quite young, from their family members. Apparently you believe that's justified, if I read your comment correctly. Trump has lots of Americans justifying lots of really horrible stuff.
I just can't wait to see what kind of cruelty Trump supporters will justify when Trump starts rounding up millions of immigrants and holds them in camps while he undertakes mass deportations. What could possibly go wrong under the careful watch of a mentally ill sociopath who lacks empathy.
Yeah okay. Do police detain people they arrest for a crime and bring the children to the jail with them?
If you think Trump is actually going to round up ILLEGAL immigrants (you forgot the ILLEGAL part) and put them in camps where their human rights will be violated then you may suffer from some of this Trump derangement.
I can't believe how some overlook NOW the fact of the sever danger involved with bringing children over the border where the risk to life and limb is very high, doubled with the involvement of child sex/drug traffickers just a "misdemeanor". I guess it's justified to make a political point.
Still, both sides could have rolled up their sleeves and tried to solve the crisis a long while back. Republicans seem to want to kick the can so as not to have things go well in an election year.
Politics.
Indeed. The Senate could have taken up the House passed Secure the Border Act last year.
In my mind, there are two separate issues. Securing the border is what the Republicans want but the Democrats have no interest in doing unless they get reforms they want.
Democrats on the other hand want massive reform, but Republicans have no interest in giving them anything there unless they get border security.
Really, these are two different issues that should be debated separately.
If you think Trump is actually going to round up ILLEGAL immigrants (you forgot the ILLEGAL part) and put them in camps where their human rights will be violated then you may suffer from some of this Trump derangement.
I think that someone has to be in very dire straights to send children to the border alone even if they are older. But yes, it is endangering to them.
His advisor mentioned putting them in camps.
Trump has said he would round up 15 to 20 million ILLEGAL immigrants and deport them using the military. Wonder how he was going to do this? Mass deportations is pretty popular with his base. Never mind that there aren't that many ILLEGAL immigrants here. But his advisor is saying 11 million which is probably an accurate figure.
There are so many hurdles it's all just hot air and pandering for votes. But I do believe he would be more aggressive than he was his prior term with deportations. (Biden is on track to match his numbers.)
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The Time article says, "The capstone of this program, advisers say, would be a massive deportation operation that would target millions of people. Trump made similar pledges in his first term, but says he plans to be more aggressive in a second. 'People need to be deported,’ says Tom Homan, a top Trump adviser and former acting head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. 'No one should be off the table,’ use the military to round up, put in camps, and deport more than 11 million undocumented immigrants.”
He's back pedaled a bit and said he would start with one million.
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Crusades said:
Yeah okay. Do police detain people they arrest for a crime and bring the children to the jail with them?
If you think Trump is actually going to round up ILLEGAL immigrants (you forgot the ILLEGAL part) and put them in camps where their human rights will be violated then you may suffer from some of this Trump derangement.
I can't believe how some overlook NOW the fact of the sever danger involved with bringing children over the border where the risk to life and limb is very high, doubled with the involvement of child sex/drug traffickers just a "misdemeanor". I guess it's justified to make a political point.
Perhaps you don't realize that the children are a part of the misdemeanor crime at the border and that in Trump's administration it was a strategy to separate the children rather than allow them to be detained with family as was typical before the sociopath was elected by Republicans.
Since there is no such thing as Trump Derangement Syndrome I'm really not at any risk of suffering because of it. There is, however, a special kind of gullibility at play when an educated person can consider Trump's publicly displayed lack of empathy and dehumanization of immigrants and not hear the echoes of 20th century fascists in their ears. It's impressive really that you justify cruelly punishing these children with separation from family because, in your mind, the family already endangered the children. It's all just surreal and more than a little weird.
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Yes. Trump got together with whoever and decided that he intentionally wanted to take children away from their families for fun.
I'm not in favor of this policy however what happens when a parent a legal citizen is caught in the commission of a crime ? When the police have no other relatives to take the child when the parent is arrested?
What happens to US citizens that willfully place their children in dangerous situations? They get charged with child endangerment and most likely will have their child removed.
Paying criminals to smuggle your children accross the border and/or crossing the border with your children is endangering children.
I do not see a problem with deterring child endangerment.