This was interesting in the news today...

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https://www.npr.org/2023/02/16/1157480905/spain-menstrual-leave-teen-abortion-trans-laws

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The abortion law builds on legislation passed in 2010 that represented a major shift for a traditionally Catholic country, transforming Spain into one of the most progressive countries in Europe on reproductive rights. Spain's constitutional court last week rejected a challenge by the right-wing Popular Party against allowing abortions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.

The debate will be heated in Spain, I imagine, as the conservative opposition pushes back. My daughter had horrible menstrual pain during her adolescence and young adulthood.  I'm certain that she would have benefitted from that time. 

subee said:

Why do we need a new law?  Proof of citizenship is required for federal elections.  I have already had to prove citizenship in 3 states. I totally agree with you that people are here in the US let in my Ronald Reagan's lax amnesty laws.  But the question of whether the perpetrators of the crimes in Aurora are here illegally or are here because of Ronald Reagan's lax amnesty policy. Republicans who  fight sending adults back who came here as children.  Perhaps you have some information whether these are illegals or not.  YOUR guys are the ones that shot down the plan to keep amnesty seekers in Mexico.  It was one of the more cynical things MAGA has done.  How did they make America great by voting against that?  It wasn't perfect enough for them or they need to kiss the ring of DT?

 

 

No.  Once again, like I said last time you engaged in spreading this disinformation,  Biden undid Trump's remain in Mexico policy and fought it in court thereafter.

So, Biden unraveled dozens of Trump era immigration policies and you blame the Reagan's one-time amnesty deal for the skyrocketing illegal immigration?

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There's no doubt that Biden has made the illegal and people seeking legal immigration situation worse.  There's no doubt some of those people are here committing crimes.  We saw this before he even took office with all the caravans of people coming.  This doesn't mean the Trump era immigration policies he unraveled were good policies.

One of this biggest disappointments of this administration and congress is that they all act like they are so concerned for our country but have done nothing but spew out rhetoric.  Why they couldn't be grown up politicians, roll up their sleeves and get something done about the border situation shows just how incompetent the whole lot of them are.

Still doesn't mean we need another citizenship law to vote.

 

 

Tweety said:

There's no doubt that Biden has made the illegal and people seeking legal immigration situation worse.  There's no doubt some of those people are here committing crimes.  We saw this before he even took office with all the caravans of people coming.  This doesn't mean the Trump era immigration policies he unraveled were good policies.

One of this biggest disappointments of this administration and congress is that they all act like they are so concerned for our country but have done nothing but spew out rhetoric.  Why they couldn't be grown up politicians, roll up their sleeves and get something done about the border situation shows just how incompetent the whole lot of them are.

Still doesn't mean we need another citizenship law to vote.

 

 

It's so hard to criticize Bidrn without working in a jab at Trump, isn't it?

I'm tempted to ask which of the Trump policies that Biden rolled back were bad policy...

I don't disagree that are politicians should try harder to work together to get things done.

However. when it comes to the border,  just like you say we don't need a new federal election law I would say we don't need new immigration laws.  We should simply use and enforce our existing laws.  At least as a start before we change anything.

Yes, I'm a broken record.

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Beerman said:

It's so hard to criticize Bidrn without working in a jab at Trump, isn't it?

I'm tempted to ask which of the Trump policies that Biden rolled back were bad policy...

I don't disagree that are politicians should try harder to work together to get things done.

However. when it comes to the border,  just like you say we don't need a new federal election law I would say we don't need new immigration laws.  We should simply use and enforce our existing laws.  At least as a start before we change anything.

Yes, I'm a broken record.

It was a bad policy to separate children from family at the border as a no tolerance deterrent.  That's what Trump and Sessions considered that cruelty at the border to be, a deterrent.  It was intentional cruel to deter others.  

It's ridiculous that republicans think that they need to elevate the crazy guy who lied about a national emergency and tried to overthrow the government in order to have coherent border policy.  They've already demonstrated, as a party, that Trump's elevation in to power is more important.  

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Beerman said:

It's so hard to criticize Bidrn without working in a jab at Trump, 

You brought his polices into the conversation.  

I'm taking a jab at the whole lot of them that are currently in power.  

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Beerman said:

However. when it comes to the border,  just like you say we don't need a new federal election law I would say we don't need new immigration laws.  We should simply use and enforce our existing laws.  At least as a start before we change anything.

I can agree with this.  I wasn't saying there was a need to change any laws, but bemoaning that they weren't doing anything at all.  Politicians, particularly Republicans, put lip service to doing something about the border and really haven't accomplished much.  

Still, policy does matter.  Biden was criticized for a policy that actually is showing some results. 

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Border Patrol agents recorded the fewest monthly migrant apprehensions since 2021 on southern border

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/07/16/texas-border-migrant-apprehensions-decrease/

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Migration to the U.S.-Mexico border has plummeted in 2024: this Summer has seen some of the fewest migrant arrivals in four years. While this might suggest that migration is now "under control,” a closer look at the data reveals a stark humanitarian cost as enforcement policies grow more aggressive in the United States, Mexico, and further south.

https://www.wola.org/analysis/fewer-migrants-greater-effect-2024s-migration-crackdowns/

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Just out of curiosity, what does a successful border policy look like? Zero illegal crossings? Is that even feasible? Refusing all requests for amnesty ? I think that's illegal.

.And I've said this before, how will the industries like agriculture that depend on undocumented workers cope? 

nursej22 said:

Just out of curiosity, what does a successful border policy look like? Zero illegal crossings? Is that even feasible? Refusing all requests for amnesty ? I think that's illegal.

.And I've said this before, how will the industries like agriculture that depend on undocumented workers cope? 

No one is advocating for zero legal immigration or asylum.

 

Tweety said:

I can agree with this.  I wasn't saying there was a need to change any laws, but bemoaning that they weren't doing anything at all.  Politicians, particularly Republicans, put lip service to doing something about the border and really haven't accomplished much.  

Still, policy does matter.  Biden was criticized for a policy that actually is showing some results. 

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/07/16/texas-border-migrant-apprehensions-decrease/

https://www.wola.org/analysis/fewer-migrants-greater-effect-2024s-migration-crackdowns/

Yep.  He said he couldn't do anything about the border without new legislation.  Bad polling  on this issue in election year changed his mind.

 

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toomuchbaloney said:

That's definitely what they want you to think.  

I would post an example but I will get flagged for TOS vulgar content violation. Think about that. 

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toomuchbaloney said:

Clearly you think it's justified.  You've been convinced.  

If school board members are elected and the elected body makes the decisions is it a "branch" of your local government or just a club.  The children attend voluntarily and financial support isn't mandated? 

I don't think inappropriate material should be accessible to children. Simple as that. Just like I don't think alcohol should be accessible to children. What's next? Going to accuse conservatives of trying to bring back prohibition? 

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Tweety said:

There's no doubt that Biden has made the illegal and people seeking legal immigration situation worse.  There's no doubt some of those people are here committing crimes.  We saw this before he even took office with all the caravans of people coming.  This doesn't mean the Trump era immigration policies he unraveled were good policies.

One of this biggest disappointments of this administration and congress is that they all act like they are so concerned for our country but have done nothing but spew out rhetoric.  Why they couldn't be grown up politicians, roll up their sleeves and get something done about the border situation shows just how incompetent the whole lot of them are.

Still doesn't mean we need another citizenship law to vote.

 

 

Up until a few month ago democrats claimed that there was no crisis at the border and a slew of other things that now are being used by the Harris campaign.  

"The border is secure", Biden is the sharpest he's ever been"... "Fracking/ no fracking". . ..

I think the flip flopping comes off as disingenuous and is a primary note on how some will vote. 

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