This was interesting in the news today...

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https://www.npr.org/2023/02/16/1157480905/spain-menstrual-leave-teen-abortion-trans-laws

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The abortion law builds on legislation passed in 2010 that represented a major shift for a traditionally Catholic country, transforming Spain into one of the most progressive countries in Europe on reproductive rights. Spain's constitutional court last week rejected a challenge by the right-wing Popular Party against allowing abortions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.

The debate will be heated in Spain, I imagine, as the conservative opposition pushes back. My daughter had horrible menstrual pain during her adolescence and young adulthood.  I'm certain that she would have benefitted from that time. 

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Tweety said:

That campaign strategy seems to be working for him and it doesn't seem chaotic to me.  He's done well convincing people what a horrible president Biden is, how the border is letting in the mentally ill and terrorists, that the economy is horrible, etc.  Kind of what a normal opponent would do.  This go around he seems more of a well oiled campaign stroking the fears of the American public. It bothers me that people believe his lies and know about his lying, paying off a porn star, and felony (well they don't believe it's a felony and it's a sham), but he's carrying on rather nicely.

The Democrats seem more chaotic than him.  However, seeing how it's pretty universal that people are getting behind Harris hopefully that chaos will settle down and a winning strategy will emerge.  

It bothers me that people think of Trump as a normal candidate using normal tactics. I'll blame the media for that. There's nothing normal about Trump or his pursuit of power.  

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Perhaps the Democratic campaign seemed chaotic because their candidate(s) have day jobs, that include flying around the world. The economy didn't rebuild itself, not to mention reducing border crossings. 

Trump's day job seems to be golf and trying to stay out of jail. He probably can't even visit other countries with felony convictions.

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toomuchbaloney said:

It bothers me that people think of Trump as a normal candidate using normal tactics. I'll blame the media for that. There's nothing normal about Trump or his pursuit of power.  

If you're talking about me, then you're spinning because I never said Trump was a normal candidate running a normal campaign.  I'm suggesting his campaign is not chaotic, that's it's organized and successful which is something we disagree on.  

What we can agree on his that he is far from your normal candidate because he's a liar, doesn't believe in Democracy or it's institutions, paid hush money to a porn star and is a felon.  Not your normal candidate.  That none of this matters to 50% of the country bothers me tremendously.

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nursej22 said:

Perhaps the Democratic campaign seemed chaotic because their candidate(s) have day jobs, that include flying around the world. The economy didn't rebuild itself, not to mention reducing border crossings. 

Trump's day job seems to be golf and trying to stay out of jail. He probably can't even visit other countries with felony convictions.

Trump doesn't have a day job other than running his business and running for President, so apples and oranges.

My statement that Democrats seem more chaotic revolve around asking Biden to step out of the race, then having him agree to do that, and the aftermath.  That seems more chaotic than Trump's decently run campaign.  

I will say that it seems the Democrats are doing a great job and ending the chaos with donors, politicians, and the lay public getting  behind Harris with excitement and their campaign has a new energy.  Apparently an informal poll shows she has enough votes from the delegates to the convention to win the nomination.  So even just a couple of days later the chaos is way down.

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Tweety said:

If you're talking about me, then you're spinning because I never said Trump was a normal candidate running a normal campaign.  I'm suggesting his campaign is not chaotic, that's it's organized and successful which is something we disagree on.  

What we can agree on his that he is far from your normal candidate because he's a liar, doesn't believe in Democracy or it's institutions, paid hush money to a porn star and is a felon.  Not your normal candidate.  That none of this matters to 50% of the country bothers me tremendously.

No, I don't think that you think Trump is normal, but you did say that bullying the current president to drop out of the race over claims that he's too demented to serve might be some variation of normal.  Like you said, telling lies like that is not normal in our politics even though it's common in Trump's politics.  

No I don't think that Trump's campaign is chaotic, I think that Trump creates confusion and chaos because that benefits him.  His lies create chaos.  His handling of the pandemic was a good example of his chaotic leadership style.  

It is troubling that so many Americans are so deeply conned and indoctrinated about who Trump is and what he represents.  This is a very dangerous time.  

 

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Okay, I guess I see your point; I think I had a different view of chaos. 
comparing the 2 campaigns is like comparing authoritarianism to a democratic (small d) process. Only a few key people make decisions versus several, equal voices. 

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https://apnews.com/article/secret-service-director-trump-rally-8b1b13cece2ff25590c81093032dceb4

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The director of the Secret Service said Tuesday she's resigning following the assassination attempt against ex-President Donald Trump that unleashed intensifying outcry about how the agency tasked with protecting current and former presidents could fail in its core mission.

Kimberly Cheatle, who had served as Secret Service director since August 2022, had been facing growing calls to resign and several investigations into how the shooter was able to get so close to the Republican presidential nominee at an outdoor campaign rally in Pennsylvania.

"I take full responsibility for the security lapse,” she said in an email to staff, obtained by The Associated Press. "In light of recent events, it is with a heavy heart that I have made the difficult decision to step down as your director.”

Excellent.  

Now let's do something about the agency as a whole, they have given us every reason to question their professionalism. 

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nursej22 said:

Okay, I guess I see your point; I think I had a different view of chaos. 
comparing the 2 campaigns is like comparing authoritarianism to a democratic (small d) process. Only a few key people make decisions versus several, equal voices. 

My point basically is that he got the Republican nomination, he was leading in the polls, and while it may be pulling the wool over people's eyes, it's also a sign of a successful campaign so far.

toomuchbaloney said:

https://apnews.com/article/secret-service-director-trump-rally-8b1b13cece2ff25590c81093032dceb4

Excellent.  

Now let's do something about the agency as a whole, they have given us every reason to question their professionalism. 

Yep, both sides of the aisle asked her to step down.  I knew it was coming.  I respect how she took responsibility and didn't throw her staff under the bus.  Unlike what my employer would do.

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toomuchbaloney said:

No, I don't think that you think Trump is normal, but you did say that bullying the current president to drop out of the race over claims that he's too demented to serve might be some variation of normal. 

I don't remember saying that specifically.  I said: He's done well convincing people what a horrible president Biden is, how the border is letting in the mentally ill and terrorists, that the economy is horrible, etc.  Kind of what a normal opponent would do. 

Like I said in my comment above, he has the nomination and the lead in the polls.  

Remember it was Democrats that pushed Biden to resign and backed him against a wall not Trump.  Trump bully's everyone, now he's calling Harris "crazy but not as crazy as Pelosi".  Trump probably would have rather had Biden stay in because now one of his main talking points is gone and the Democrat base is fired up against him.  His main talking point is policy wise Harris is Biden Jr. and that's the angle I'm seeing so far.  With Vance saying she's even worse than Biden.  

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Chaotic? Maybe ... or the best game of rope-a-dope ever played.

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Tweety said:

The Democratic commentary as I said was as expected with comments like "violence doesn't have a place in this country...we're thankful he was okay..." etc.  

But social media was awash with "they killed the wrong guy" "too bad he didn't die", etc.  I even heard it live from a friend, so it wasn't just you.  But at the time you said what you did I didn't feel compatible with this forum and needed to simmer down.  I've moved on.  

I don't participate much in social media so didn't see those comments which only remind me why I don't participate:)

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Tweety said:

My point basically is that he got the Republican nomination, he was leading in the polls, and while it may be pulling the wool over people's eyes, it's also a sign of a successful campaign so far.

Yep, both sides of the aisle asked her to step down.  I knew it was coming.  I respect how she took responsibility and didn't throw her staff under the bus.  Unlike what my employer would do.

She threw other people under the bus in her very unacceptable hearing appearance yesterday.  

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