This was interesting in the news today...

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https://www.npr.org/2023/02/16/1157480905/spain-menstrual-leave-teen-abortion-trans-laws

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The abortion law builds on legislation passed in 2010 that represented a major shift for a traditionally Catholic country, transforming Spain into one of the most progressive countries in Europe on reproductive rights. Spain's constitutional court last week rejected a challenge by the right-wing Popular Party against allowing abortions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.

The debate will be heated in Spain, I imagine, as the conservative opposition pushes back. My daughter had horrible menstrual pain during her adolescence and young adulthood.  I'm certain that she would have benefitted from that time. 

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toomuchbaloney said:

She threw other people under the bus in her very unacceptable hearing appearance yesterday.  

Fair enough.  NPR covered it briefly in their 5 minute podcast this morning and they her accepting responsibility.  While she might have held people that made mistakes on the ground accountable, she still accepted responsibility and resigned as a result of those mistakes.  When is the last time a hospital CEO resigned for a systemic mistake a staff makes?

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Tweety said:

If you're talking about me, then you're spinning because I never said Trump was a normal candidate running a normal campaign.  I'm suggesting his campaign is not chaotic, that's it's organized and successful which is something we disagree on.  

What we can agree on his that he is far from your normal candidate because he's a liar, doesn't believe in Democracy or it's institutions, paid hush money to a porn star and is a felon.  Not your normal candidate.  That none of this matters to 50% of the country bothers me tremendously.

I think that the paying off the porn star felony is what causes the most doubt in Trump's guilt and  It looks like it was pulling strings and manipulating the law in order to "ge Trump". What "crime" did he cover up? No one seems to know? 2 cases were pressuded by DAs that ran on "get Trump". 

Like it or not many people see this as  aggressive tactics to prevent a person running for office which in their eyes is also a threat to democracy. The threat of political persecution using the justice system has been a long held bipartisan ideal. Some crimes are not worth that. Which makes easier to overlook his lies. Some consider them exaggerations. The msm has had a fundamental role in the mistrust of the people so this makes it easy believe certain things.

It's all so very convoluted.  

If the dems didn't over kill the Trump charges, or at least think them through better, they may have been more successful.  Imo

We'll see. I can't say I share your support for Harris but if she wins I can at least be happy for you. LOL 

 

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subee said:

I don't participate much in social media so didn't see those comments which only remind me why I don't participate:)

My social media feeds are generally like minded people and it was only a few that were ugly about it.  Right now it's full of "I'm With Her" posts which makes me think that she's getting widespread support among the liberal base.

On Threads almost all the posts I'm seeing are "I'm a "age inserted" man/woman and I understand the assignment.  #Harris2024"

But they were always going to vote for her.  It's the centrists, young voters and people of color that are going to get her a win.  It remains to be seen what Muslims will do.   They were not going to vote for Biden over Israel.  Like I said, too interesting for me not pay attention to.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/22/politics/harris-biden-trump-polling/index.html

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toomuchbaloney said:

 

She had both Dems and Republicans at her. It was brutal.  I almost felt bad for her. 

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Tweety said:

Fair enough.  NPR covered it briefly in their 5 minute podcast this morning and they her accepting responsibility.  While she might have held people that made mistakes on the ground accountable, she still accepted responsibility and resigned as a result of those mistakes.  When is the last time a hospital CEO resigned for a systemic mistake a staff makes?

Maybe February of this year?  

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/quality/hospital-ceo-resigns-after-2-failed-inspections-license-delays.html

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Feb. 14, the CEO of a Pennsylvania hospital announced his resignation as the hospital works to secure a permanent license after two failed attempts and a now-resolved immediate jeopardy designation, The Philadelphia Inquirer reported. 

It would be interesting to know what the ratio is of terminations versus resignation with perks. 

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Crusades said:

She had both Dems and Republicans at her. It was brutal.  I almost felt bad for her. 

I didn't feel bad for her at all.  This was an unacceptable security lapse from a Secret Service that deleted cellphone data in the midst of a important investigation, and misbehaved badly on multiple other occasions.  She received exactly what her position demands in terms of accountability and oversight.  Perhaps, after this, the Director position should be Senate confirmed to firm up a clear pathway of oversight.  

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toomuchbaloney said:

I didn't feel bad for her at all.  This was an unacceptable security lapse from a Secret Service that deleted cellphone data in the midst of a important investigation, and misbehaved badly on multiple other occasions.  She received exactly what her position demands in terms of accountability and oversight.  Perhaps, after this, the Director position should be Senate confirmed to firm up a clear pathway of oversight.  

I agree. I'm too soft sometimes.  

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Crusades said:

I think that the paying off the porn star felony is what causes the most doubt in Trump's guilt and  It looks like it was pulling strings and manipulating the law in order to "ge Trump". What "crime" did he cover up? No one seems to know? 2 cases were pressuded by DAs that ran on "get Trump". 

Like it or not many people see this as  aggressive tactics to prevent a person running for office which in their eyes is also a threat to democracy. The threat of political persecution using the justice system has been a long held bipartisan ideal. Some crimes are not worth that. Which makes easier to overlook his lies. Some consider them exaggerations. The msm has had a fundamental role in the mistrust of the people so this makes it easy believe certain things.

It's all so very convoluted.  

If the dems didn't over kill the Trump charges, or at least think them through better, they may have been more successful.  Imo

We'll see. I can't say I share your support for Harris but if she wins I can at least be happy for you. LOL 

 

He covered up the crime that put Cohen in prison. Trump was the unindicted co- conspirator in that felony.  That's old news.  

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Crusades said:

I think that the paying off the porn star felony is what causes the most doubt in Trump's guilt and  It looks like it was pulling strings and manipulating the law in order to "ge Trump". What "crime" did he cover up? No one seems to know? 2 cases were pressuded by DAs that ran on "get Trump". 

Like it or not many people see this as  aggressive tactics to prevent a person running for office which in their eyes is also a threat to democracy. The threat of political persecution using the justice system has been a long held bipartisan ideal. Some crimes are not worth that. Which makes easier to overlook his lies. Some consider them exaggerations. The msm has had a fundamental role in the mistrust of the people so this makes it easy believe certain things.

It's all so very convoluted.  

If the dems didn't over kill the Trump charges, or at least think them through better, they may have been more successful.  Imo

We'll see. I can't say I share your support for Harris but if she wins I can at least be happy for you. LOL 

 

Trump supporters will always be about "it's a scam to just get Trump from being President".  I can understand how it seems that way. Especially with the recent charges being dismissed.  But there is no doubt that he committed adultery and paid off a porn star is there?  There is no doubt that a jury found him guilty is there?  

But yes, his supporters will dig in their heels on that, as will republican politicians and their organization Fox News.  But will young voters, undecided voters and moderate voters go with a "they are just out to get Trump so I will vote for him even though he's dishonest and a felon"?  Time will tell.  

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toomuchbaloney said:

Maybe February of this year?  

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/quality/hospital-ceo-resigns-after-2-failed-inspections-license-delays.html

It would be interesting to know what the ratio is of terminations versus resignation with perks. 

I'm talking about a nurse making an error that clearly was caused by a systemic problem.  The nurse goes before the board and faces discipline.  Does the CEO say "I take responsibility and resign".  That kind of thing.  The article you posted is from a clearly poorly run facility.  

I remember years ago a death in my facility that was a sentinel event with a clear cause and negligence.  The nurse was so traumatized rather than go before the board or answer anything she quit nursing.  The CEO went about her business as usual.  

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Tweety said:

I'm talking about a nurse making an error that clearly was caused by a systemic problem.  The nurse goes before the board and faces discipline.  Does the CEO say "I take responsibility and resign".  That kind of thing.  The article you posted is from a clearly poorly run facility.  

I remember years ago a death in my facility that was a sentinel event with a clear cause and negligence.  The nurse was so traumatized rather than go before the board or answer anything she quit nursing.  The CEO went about her business as usual.  

I get that you are talking about the lack of accountability at the highest offices of our capitalist economic system. We shouldn't try to mirror the lack of accountability in private business in our government, IMHO. 

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toomuchbaloney said:

He covered up the crime that put Cohen in prison. Trump was the unindicted co- conspirator in that felony.  That's old news.  

What was the crime he covered up? 

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