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QuoteThe abortion law builds on legislation passed in 2010 that represented a major shift for a traditionally Catholic country, transforming Spain into one of the most progressive countries in Europe on reproductive rights. Spain's constitutional court last week rejected a challenge by the right-wing Popular Party against allowing abortions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.
The debate will be heated in Spain, I imagine, as the conservative opposition pushes back. My daughter had horrible menstrual pain during her adolescence and young adulthood. I'm certain that she would have benefitted from that time.
Beerman said:Any "taking" of Greenland is actually going to be a mutual agreement of some kind.
We didn't even take Venezuela. We arrested a dictator who had been indicted and will now face criminal charges. While we disagree to how much extent, oil was a factor to some degree. While some plans aren't clear, keeping Venezuela isn't the end goal.
The narrative being talked about that Greenland is next, as if it's an apples to apples scenerio, is ridiculous.
Why didn't he take over Russia? Putin is a dictator who has a lot if oil. Any regime change we undertook was never meant to be the end goal but, nevertheless, we lost American soldiers and spent billions if dollars to eventually skull away with our tails tucked.
Beerman said:The response of the mayor afterword is part of it. But, I'm more interested in what the mayor and others have been saying before this incident that led this woman to believe she should block a road and law enforcement, interfere in their operations, that she should not comply with their instructions, and that while one officer is holding onto her car and another standing in front that she should step on the accelerator.
Those folks are also to blame for her death.
We know nothing yet and the one visual we've seen doesn't explain much. It's against police for an officer to be even standing directly in front of a car, especially one who could have been triggered to over react from a dragging he took after he he reached into a car and didn't let go. I thought he had been horribly wounded from that but today's news said he receiver 12 stitches in the leg. I'll wait for more evidence before blaming anyone for anything.
Beerman said:The response of the mayor afterword is part of it. But, I'm more interested in what the mayor and others have been saying before this incident that led this woman to believe she should block a road and law enforcement, interfere in their operations, that she should not comply with their instructions, and that while one officer is holding onto her car and another standing in front that she should step on the accelerator.
Those folks are also to blame for her death.
So you can't or won't say how the mayor should have responded after an unarmed mom in his city was shot, at near point blank range, in the face.
The ice officers inflamed the situation by jumping out, running to her car, yelling and trying to open the door. The shooter circled her car and placed himself near the front. They are to blame.
Daisy4RN said:Here is a step by step playbook how not to get hurt and/or end up dead by ICE (or any other LEOs).
1) do not insert yourself and/or car into the middle of any ICE operation.
2) if you do and get caught do not ignore the commands given to you by said ICE agents3) do not attempt to harm/run over any ICE agents
I realize this is a hard concept to understand so hopefully it helps those who feel the rules do not apply to them in order to avoid this unfortunate type of scenario again.
And last but not least...
4) don't listen to liberal media who do not like and/or understand that the laws and rules are put in place for a reason and there are much better ways to address said laws if you don't like them.
I don't think it is clear why the deceased was in the area that she was, so I think it's premature to say that she inserted herself in the situation, despite what a single, unnamed witness said. It is also not clear that she attempted to run over the ICE agent. He did run around her car and positioned himself near the front driver side of the car. I don't there is any LEO training that says that is a safe position,
nursej22 said:I don't think it is clear why the deceased was in the area that she was, so I think it's premature to say that she inserted herself in the situation, despite what a single, unnamed witness said. It is also not clear that she attempted to run over the ICE agent. He did run around her car and positioned himself near the front driver side of the car. I don't there is any LEO training that says that is a safe position,
"There is none so blind as those who do not see”…
The information is out there, just look and see. But as I have said many times here you need to look somewhere else besides the liberal networks who do not give the full picture (to put it mildly). I even linked some articles but you either didn't read or believe them for whatever reason. I wonder why y'all are so quick with judgement against LEOs and so easily influenced by the leftist liberal media and politicians. And before you even start I have also said here I read all sides of news, which is ridiculous to even have to say much less do.
nursej22 said:I don't think it is clear why the deceased was in the area that she was, so I think it's premature to say that she inserted herself in the situation, despite what a single, unnamed witness said. It is also not clear that she attempted to run over the ICE agent. He did run around her car and positioned himself near the front driver side of the car. I don't there is any LEO training that says that is a safe position,
The video evidence seems to pretty clearly show that the victim did not try to run into any ICE agents. The killer does seem to have a history of escalating interactions with motorists to unsafe conditions.
Daisy4RN said:"There is none so blind as those who do not see”…
The information is out there, just look and see. But as I have said many times here you need to look somewhere else besides the liberal networks who do not give the full picture (to put it mildly). I even linked some articles but you either didn't read or believe them for whatever reason. I wonder why y'all are so quick with judgement against LEOs and so easily influenced by the leftist liberal media and politicians. And before you even start I have also said here I read all sides of news, which is ridiculous to even have to say much less do.
I looked at your articles and they all seem to be opinion pieces that are light on facts. One article has an unnamed source questioned by an unattributed reporter who says the deceased inserted herself in the situation. The other 2, by the same opinion writer cherry-picks another new outlet. I don't care if the media is left, right, or centrist, that is not very convincing. Perhaps it is to you because it fits your narrative.
You refer to ICE as LEOs and yet they have very little authority, other than to serve warrants. They do not have jurisdiction to stop citizens that are breaking traffic laws. They have no authority to order a driver to get out of their car without a warrant. And they most certainly cannot justify shooting someone by jumping in front of their vehicle.
I do not look only at "liberal networks". the larger media outlets will usually have reporters on the ground to do original reporting. The larger outlets also have reporters with years of experience and don't rely merely on heresay. I also look at local media sources, although their reporting is often behind a paywall. When I cite a new source, I usually use Associated Press, because they are rated centrist.
nursej22 said:I looked at your articles and they all seem to be opinion pieces that are light on facts. One article has an unnamed source questioned by an unattributed reporter who says the deceased inserted herself in the situation. The other 2, by the same opinion writer cherry-picks another new outlet. I don't care if the media is left, right, or centrist, that is not very convincing. Perhaps it is to you because it fits your narrative.
You refer to ICE as LEOs and yet they have very little authority, other than to serve warrants. They do not have jurisdiction to stop citizens that are breaking traffic laws. They have no authority to order a driver to get out of their car without a warrant. And they most certainly cannot justify shooting someone by jumping in front of their vehicle.
I do not look only at "liberal networks". the larger media outlets will usually have reporters on the ground to do original reporting. The larger outlets also have reporters with years of experience and don't rely merely on heresay. I also look at local media sources, although their reporting is often behind a paywall. When I cite a new source, I usually use Associated Press, because they are rated centrist.
Much of your commentary is irrelevant and/or factually incorrect.
So, let's try this another way.
You claim the ICE agent is responsible for murder.
The facts that we know right now:
The vehicle was blocking the road, and continued to block the road when the ICE vehicle with lights flashing approaches.
Law enforcement in uniform get out and instruct her several times to get out of the car.
She refuses, and backs up the vehicle.
One agent reaches in and tries to open the door.
Vehicle stops briefly.
Another agent is in front of the vehicle.
The vehicle propels forward when agent is still in front of vehicle.
Agent fires his gun three times. Driver is killed.
Law enforcement may use lethal force if the reasonably believe in the moment they or others are in imminent danger of serious bodily harm.
Go ahead and use the facts, apply them to the law, and make your case for murder.
Mean Gramma said:The video evidence seems to pretty clearly show that the victim did not try to run into any ICE agents. The killer does seem to have a history of escalating interactions with motorists to unsafe conditions.
The activist "victim" did try and run over the ICE agent and it is on video!
The only thing your article proves is that this ICE agent has a history of doing his job protecting the public. And he was injured doing just that while taking an illegal accused of sexually abusing a minority into custody. I am willing to bet that family is glad to have the man gone regardless of what street activists and the liberal media and politicians think/like.
Daisy4RN said:The activist "victim" did try and run over the ICE agent and it is on video!
The only thing your article proves is that this ICE agent has a history of doing his job protecting the public. And he was injured doing just that while taking an illegal accused of sexually abusing a minority into custody.
"On June 17 in a suburb of Minneapolis this exact same officer was making a lawful arrest of a child pedophile, child sex offender when he reached his arm into the subject's vehicle," said McLaughlin, the Homeland Security spokeswoman appearing on Fox News. "That officer had 33 stitches and abrasions all over his body.”I am willing to bet that family is glad to have the man gone regardless of what street activists and the liberal media and politicians think/like.
Why do you think it is OK for street activists to interfere with ICE operations when they know absolutely zero about the back story why these people are getting arrested?! It is just plain stupidity!
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The response of the mayor afterword is part of it. But, I'm more interested in what the mayor and others have been saying before this incident that led this woman to believe she should block a road and law enforcement, interfere in their operations, that she should not comply with their instructions, and that while one officer is holding onto her car and another standing in front that she should step on the accelerator.
Those folks are also to blame for her death.