This was interesting in the news today...

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https://www.npr.org/2023/02/16/1157480905/spain-menstrual-leave-teen-abortion-trans-laws

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The abortion law builds on legislation passed in 2010 that represented a major shift for a traditionally Catholic country, transforming Spain into one of the most progressive countries in Europe on reproductive rights. Spain's constitutional court last week rejected a challenge by the right-wing Popular Party against allowing abortions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.

The debate will be heated in Spain, I imagine, as the conservative opposition pushes back. My daughter had horrible menstrual pain during her adolescence and young adulthood.  I'm certain that she would have benefitted from that time. 

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toomuchbaloney said:

I absolutely point out the lack of citations.  

And when you get them attack the source.

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Tweety said:

And when you get them attack the source.

I comment on the credibility of the source AND the cited content.  Perspective.   I also took the other comment as rhetorical.  We all know why it's pointless to ask Trump apologists for citations.  

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Tweety said:

Yet you asked why?  okay

Fox News just now "Dems politicizing Texas Floods".  Death toll over 90.  

Because the response to the weather has a huge political component.  When Texas Republicans said the flash flood warning system for that area was too expensive, that was political. Kerr County is politically very republican.  These are decisions born out of conservative politics and perspectives.  It was Republicans who decided that the weather forecasts were wrong and that they didn't need to worry and then they didn't.  If they are lucky people will be bullied into not talking about the failures of judgment now because people are grieving and they won't be held accountable in the future. 

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toomuchbaloney said:

I comment on the credibility of the source AND the cited content.  Perspective.   I also took the other comment as rhetorical.  We all know why it's pointless to ask Trump apologists for citations.  

Yes, it was a rhetorical why. I know why. 
I think it's fair to criticize sources that only report what other outlets have published. 

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The Latin Tumes reported today that Kristi Noem posted 3 pictures (on a horse with a cowboy hat) asking her followers which image should be used as her governor's portrait.  Ah, so much for the suffering in Texas.  She couldn't wait one more week.  I wonder if Abbot has the self awareness to hang his head low for ignoring old warnings about the danger of that river in a significant rain storm.  It is more important for him to brag about the MAGA Republican California's that have moved to Texas along with Musk.  Meanwhile our present energy department warns of incipient electricity shortages in Texas.  

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toomuchbaloney said:

Because the response to the weather has a huge political component.  When Texas Republicans said the flash flood warning system for that area was too expensive, that was political. Kerr County is politically very republican.  These are decisions born out of conservative politics and perspectives.  It was Republicans who decided that the weather forecasts were wrong and that they didn't need to worry and then they didn't.  If they are lucky people will be bullied into not talking about the failures of judgment now because people are grieving and they won't be held accountable in the future. 

The blame game always happens after an event.  We saw this during the fires in California where Newsome got the wrath of Trump and social media went wild before calming down with the lies and conspiracy theories and taking an honest look at some mistakes and areas of improvement.

During the devastating floods in North Carolina caused by Helene and its unprectabile massive rainfall.  Many blamed the meteorologists for not warning that it would be so much.  Recovery efforts were plagued by staffing shortages and problems in handling recovery efforts.  But I didn't hear much politicalization and there is always a blame game.  

When we had our devastating floods from Helene (I still have my best friend living with me 9 months later as his condo is not fixed).  There was the blame game.

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Some Pinellas County residents blamed the flooding on existing infrastructure problems and a lack of maintenance of waterways like McKay Creek. While the City of Largo stated the creek is privately owned, residents still voiced concerns and sought solutions to the flooding problems. Additionally, some officials acknowledged that deficient beach infrastructure increased storm flooding.

I was going to ask for your source that Texas Republicans decided it was too expensive for warning systems but decided to Google.

This article seems to indicate that it's the county that decides on flash flood warning systems.  One county deciding in 2016 not to install them but other counties did.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/deadly-texas-floods-one-town-warning-siren-rcna217202

I agree all that needs to be looked into and but not politicized and tainted with rhetoric.

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Some Texas officials have suggested that the National Weather Service (NWS) didn't adequately warn them of the extent of the danger, which the federal agency denies.

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How good was the forecast? Texas officials and the National Weather Service disagree

According to NPR's timeline, the Texas Division of Emergency Management activated emergency response resources as early as Wednesday. On Thursday, it posted on social media and informed local officials about the risk of potential flooding.

Separately, the NWS' Austin/San Antonio office issued a flood watch for multiple counties, which it upgraded to a flood warning just after midnight on Friday and expanded in the early morning hours.

By 4:06 a.m., with river levels rising quickly, it warned of an ongoing "very dangerous flash flooding event." The official social media pages of the City of Kerrville's Police Department and Kerr County sheriff didn't post about the emergency until after 6 a.m.

https://www.npr.org/2025/07/07/nx-s1-5459761/texas-flooding-deaths-rescues-camp-mystic

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But hey you "owned the libs" and you got billionaires the tax cuts.

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Those cuts may not have played a direct role in the death toll from the central Texas floods, a point the White House argued strenuously Monday while maintaining that "the National Weather Service did its job" in predicting the rising waters. Meteorologists and climate scientists also praised NWS for its accurate, timely forecasts.

But the weather service and its parent organization are reeling from mass layoffs and early retirements pushed by President Donald Trump's Department of Government Efficiency, and the sprawling tax bill that he signed last weekcanceled more than $200 million in spending that was supposed to improve weather forecasting and make communities more resilient to disasters.

Federal grants to help communities afford flood warning systems are also drying up after the Trump administration halted two main programs that once funded such work. And the White House acknowledged Monday that it's still weighing the fate of the nation's premier disaster responder, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, more than five months after Trump said that "I think we're going to recommend that FEMA go away.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/08/climate-change-makes-deadly-floods-more-likely-but-washington-is-responding-with-cuts-00441921

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Tweety said:

The blame game always happens after an event.  We saw this during the fires in California where Newsome got the wrath of Trump and social media went wild before calming down with the lies and conspiracy theories and taking an honest look at some mistakes and areas of improvement.

During the devastating floods in North Carolina caused by Helene and its unprectabile massive rainfall.  Many blamed the meteorologists for not warning that it would be so much.  Recovery efforts were plagued by staffing shortages and problems in handling recovery efforts.  But I didn't hear much politicalization and there is always a blame game.  

When we had our devastating floods from Helene (I still have my best friend living with me 9 months later as his condo is not fixed).  There was the blame game.

I was going to ask for your source that Texas Republicans decided it was too expensive for warning systems but decided to Google.

This article seems to indicate that it's the county that decides on flash flood warning systems.  One county deciding in 2016 not to install them but other counties did.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/deadly-texas-floods-one-town-warning-siren-rcna217202

I agree all that needs to be looked into and but not politicized and tainted with rhetoric.

https://www.npr.org/2025/07/07/nx-s1-5459761/texas-flooding-deaths-rescues-camp-mystic

There's a difference between discussing the failures of leadership and a blame game. One is an examination of failures in action or decision making and the other is not.  It's the difference between looking at a timeline and talking about what the individuals did and didn't do and looking at a disaster and quipping that "it was Biden's setup".  

It's a shame that  accountability is such a bad word in the era of Trump. It's impossible to discuss political failures without people hollering that the subject is "politicized", in the era of Trump.  That's a strategy to shut down scrutiny. The media is happy to talk about it in those terms and we repeat it as if it's true and a valid reason to avoid discussing the topic.  Everything is politicized. Politics affects everything in an oppressive regime.  

As I said before the county officials gambled with lives and lost.  The people in that region should think very carefully about their elected leadership and what their skill set and priorities are.  They should think about if government is supposed to protect them and help them survive or to just provide political theater.   It seems that maybe lots of people have lost sight of the reality that our government is supposed to be providing us with service beyond a huge military.  The elected officials are supposed to be facilitating that service to the people although fascists wouldn't want us to think that way.   

toomuchbaloney said:

https://www.kwtx.com/2025/07/07/quick-action-by-one-texas-Summer-camp-leads-timely-evacuations-ahead-deadly-flood/

Some camp directors and leaders watched the weather, heeded the weather advisories and got all of their campers to safety even though there were no alarms from local county leadership.  Doing nothing when lives could be at risk is not brave or honorable but it seems to be the leadership model that conservatives are fond of.  Trump exemplified it in 2020. 

TMB, Your initial post was what alerted me that this was happening.  I read a couple of news stories and watched as the death toll was rising and was sick to my stomach.  The last story I read was about the father who received the text from his two little daughters saying "I love you" to him before they died.  I prayed for everyone.  

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Accountability is not a bad word.  (Although electing someone like Trump shows that people don't seem to care about accountability such as telling the truth and acting like an adult President)

A thoughtful root analysis review of mistakes and things that could be improved is not what I'm seeing.  The day after the accident left wing influencers were calling out DOGE and right wing influencers were saying it's Biden era issues without a breath to seek truth because there is no way in less than 24 hours a review was completed that laid the blame anywhere.

Anyway, this is the world we live in now in 2025 with instantaneous media and people saying outrageous things for clicks and follows, the truth be damned.

 

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Tweety said:

Accountability is not a bad word.  (Although electing someone like Trump shows that people don't seem to care about accountability such as telling the truth and acting like an adult President)

A thoughtful root analysis review of mistakes and things that could be improved is not what I'm seeing.  The day after the accident left wing influencers were calling out DOGE and right wing influencers were saying it's Biden era issues without a breath to seek truth because there is no way in less than 24 hours a review was completed that laid the blame anywhere.

Anyway, this is the world we live in now in 2025 with instantaneous media and people saying outrageous things for clicks and follows, the truth be damned.

 

We have a cultivated habit of procrastinating discussion of accountability and delaying actual accountability until it has no current context and holds only a vague resemblance to actual accountability.    

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