This was interesting in the news today...

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https://www.npr.org/2023/02/16/1157480905/spain-menstrual-leave-teen-abortion-trans-laws

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The abortion law builds on legislation passed in 2010 that represented a major shift for a traditionally Catholic country, transforming Spain into one of the most progressive countries in Europe on reproductive rights. Spain's constitutional court last week rejected a challenge by the right-wing Popular Party against allowing abortions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.

The debate will be heated in Spain, I imagine, as the conservative opposition pushes back. My daughter had horrible menstrual pain during her adolescence and young adulthood.  I'm certain that she would have benefitted from that time. 

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toomuchbaloney said:

Roughly 75% of SS recipients don't qualify for that break.  Lots of retirees who are too poor or too well set won't experience a change.  It will help a group who will greatly appreciate it, though.  

Interesting. I saw a post recently (I don't remember where) about some fancy timing in the BBB, too. Some of the more problematic cuts (I.e. to food assistance and nutritional programs) are written to take effect after the midterms. Numbers make my eyes bleed, so I haven't read the thing to check that. If it's accurate, ya gotta wonder what the bill's supporters think is going to happen. Quite the balancing act.

Personally, I think we're being set up for the welfare queen gambit. We've seen this play out before, so my expectations are biased.

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heron said:

Interesting. I saw a post recently (I don't remember where) about some fancy timing in the BBB, too. Some of the more problematic cuts (I.e. to food assistance and nutritional programs) are written to take effect after the midterms. Numbers make my eyes bleed, so I haven't read the thing to check that. If it's accurate, ya gotta wonder what the bill's supporters think is going to happen. Quite the balancing act.

Personally, I think we're being set up for the welfare queen gambit. We've seen this play out before, so my expectations are biased.

Yeah. It's all very dishonest.  We have seen this stuff before.  Turns out, right wing extremists don't have many new ideas or much imagination when it comes to new ways to be cruel.  We can be thankful for that.  

Meanwhile, Trump is sharing some delusion that he can simply revoke someone's citizenship because they criticize him.  

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toomuchbaloney said:

Roughly 75% of SS recipients don't qualify for that break.  Lots of retirees who are too poor or too well set won't experience a change.  It will help a group who will greatly appreciate it, though.  

Not sure where you're getting that number but you are correct there are a number of people that won't experience a change because they already don't pay taxes.  I've read already half of recipients or more don't pay taxes on their SSI so they aren't in the equation.  

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Approximately 12% of Social Security beneficiaries will not qualify for the new tax break provided by the "One Big Beautiful Bill". This is because the bill provides a new standard deduction for seniors, but this deduction phases out for those with higher incomes and is not applicable to those already exempt from taxes on Social Security benefits due to low income. 

I'm not on SSI and it seems complicated and I'm not paying much attention to it but Subee apparently is low income or too high of an income and has figured out she is not getting a tax cut.

My guess is that most likely as always I won't get any breaks.  LOL

There also is the idea that SSI taxes on the higher income recipients is helping to keep it solvent and that money is going to have to come from where in the future to keep it going.  

People need to remember the rest of the equation:  Tax cuts - less revenue.  (Of course their answer is to cut spending but we're seeing how that's going)

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I might add the SSI tax cuts expire in 2028 and a provision was written in that the other tax breaks (to the wealthy) will never expire, while they are cutting other programs.  I wonder how these politicians can sleep at night.

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Tweety said:

I might add the SSI tax cuts expire in 2028 and a provision was written in that the other tax breaks (to the wealthy) will never expire, while they are cutting other programs.  I wonder how these politicians can sleep at night.

I suppose they sleep alright knowing that a healthy percentage of their voting base believe and share their deceptions about the bill.  The propaganda apparatus is pretty sophisticated and practiced at this point and we can see the results.  

https://www.kff.org/medicaid/poll-finding/kff-health-tracking-poll-views-of-the-one-big-beautiful-bill/

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Generally, six in ten Republicans have a favorable opinion of the bill compared to large majorities of both independents (71%) and Democrats (85%) who have an unfavorable opinion. Support for the legislation rises as high as 72% among MAGA supporters, a key constituency of President Trump. Yet, among Republicans and Republican-leaning independents who are not MAGA supporters, two-thirds (66%) have an unfavorable view of the bill.

 

Tweety said:

I might add the SSI tax cuts expire in 2028 and a provision was written in that the other tax breaks (to the wealthy) will never expire, while they are cutting other programs.  I wonder how these politicians can sleep at night.

While politicians can be you know what holes, it didn't seem logical to me that they'd just let the cuts expire to be as such.  What benefit would that be to them?

And, what do you know.  There is an explanation:

"Bobby Kogan, senior director of federal budget policy at the Center for American Progress, a nonpartisan think tank in Washington, D.C., told CBS MoneyWatch the bill doesn't change the taxation of Social Security benefits. Eliminating taxes on Social Security under the bill was impossible because of a congressional restriction (dubbed the Byrd Rule after late West Virginia Sen. Robert Byrd) that limits what the Senate can include in a reconciliation bill like the Republican budget measure. 

What the bill does do is provide a temporary tax deduction of up to $6,000 for seniors aged 65 and older. The tax break is available to people with an adjusted gross incomes of $75,000 or less and $150,000 or less for couples filing jointly. The deduction is set to expire at the end of 2028."

As Forest Gump might say in stealing a term from a member here, sorry to ruin your circle jerk party.

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heron said:

Interesting. I saw a post recently (I don't remember where) about some fancy timing in the BBB, too. Some of the more problematic cuts (I.e. to food assistance and nutritional programs) are written to take effect after the midterms. Numbers make my eyes bleed, so I haven't read the thing to check that. If it's accurate, ya gotta wonder what the bill's supporters think is going to happen. Quite the balancing act.

Personally, I think we're being set up for the welfare queen gambit. We've seen this play out before, so my expectations are biased.

Yes!,   I remember when that administration classified ketchup as a vegetable for school cafeterias.  Reagan + Trump= Dumb and Dumber

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https://www.npr.org/2025/07/14/nx-s1-5461102/tillis-rino-trump-moderate-gop

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But in today's Republican Party, Tillis' ideology may be viewed as moderate instead of conservative.

"If we're defining conservatism as following Donald Trump's whims and wills, then I agree," Western Carolina University political scientist Chris Cooper said. "If we are defining conservatism as somebody who wants free markets, who wants school choice, who wants traditional issues that we used to think of as conservative prior to the Trump era, he is as rock-ribbed conservative as they get."

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A political science method known as DW-NOMINATE attempts to quantify how liberal or conservative a lawmaker's ideology is, based on how they vote, with a primary dimension using a scale of -1 for most liberal and 1 for most conservative.

Tillis' ideology score is a solidly conservative 0.389, close to the 0.403 the political scientists who created the method estimate Trump's score to be. But in the decade since he joined the Senate, the GOP caucus has marched steadily to the right, nearly three times as much as the Democrats moved left

Yet our media has increasingly amplified the right wing contention that liberals have transformed into leftist radicals bent upon turning the USA into a socialist communist hell scape.  How did they get that so wrong? 

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Cooper says that political polarization is not a new concept, but Trump has changed the meaning of polarization itself for the Republican Party, making loyalty to Trump the litmus test for "conservative" labeling.

"It's almost as if party has overtaken ideology to be the key factor for how we define moderation or for how we define people's behavior once they're in office," he said.

The increasing demand of conservatism to be in total alignment with Trumpism is why occasional deviation from party loyalty can end up a liability, even in swing state elections, Cooper said.

I would classify this requirement that all members publicly align with Trump as cult behavior.  

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At least Trump didn't ramble about decorating details while skipping from talking point to talking point.  

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