This was interesting in the news today...

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https://www.npr.org/2023/02/16/1157480905/spain-menstrual-leave-teen-abortion-trans-laws

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The abortion law builds on legislation passed in 2010 that represented a major shift for a traditionally Catholic country, transforming Spain into one of the most progressive countries in Europe on reproductive rights. Spain's constitutional court last week rejected a challenge by the right-wing Popular Party against allowing abortions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.

The debate will be heated in Spain, I imagine, as the conservative opposition pushes back. My daughter had horrible menstrual pain during her adolescence and young adulthood.  I'm certain that she would have benefitted from that time. 

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David French woke up too late.  He annoyed me with his NYT columns years ago with his support of the evangelical wing of so-called Christians.  Since his enlightenment about the true nature of his team,  I doubt any evangelicals listen to or hear him anymore.  Regardless of the religion, zealotry never works out well for the followers.

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subee said:

David French woke up too late.  He annoyed me with his NYT columns years ago with his support of the evangelical wing of so-called Christians.  Since his enlightenment about the true nature of his team,  I doubt any evangelicals listen to or hear him anymore.  Regardless of the religion, zealotry never works out well for the followers.

I never heard of French until the podcast today. Good to hear that he's evolved a bit over the years. As for evangelicals listening to him, well ... they don't listen to me, either. That doesn't stop me from thinking about anything I want and writing about that.

What would be the point of thinking about anything if you aren't allowed to change your mind as situations change and evolve? I'm old enough to remember the advent of the Moral Majority in '79. I found French's description of how politics become a religion intriguing.

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David French on his bio describes himself as an evangelical conservative and most likely I wouldn't necessarily agree with some of this columns since I am neither.  However, he does seem to understand that we are a pluralistic society and as a title of one of his books "divided we fall".  

His bio says:

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 I'm an evangelical conservative who believes strongly in a classical liberal, pluralistic vision of American democracy, in which people with deep religious, cultural, and moral differences can live and work together and enjoy equal legal protection and shared cultural tolerance. In both my personal and professional life I strive to live up to the high ideals of Micah 6:8 — to act justly, to love kindness, and to walk humbly before God.

which is refreshing.

I too remember the "moral majority" and people like Anita Bryant and evangelical Christians have been public enemy #1 to me for a long time and I've had to figure out how to co-exist with them while also demanding I be seen, heard and represented.  

https://www.nytimes.com/by/david-french

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heron said:

I never heard of French until the podcast today. Good to hear that he's evolved a bit over the years. As for evangelicals listening to him, well ... they don't listen to me, either. That doesn't stop me from thinking about anything I want and writing about that.

What would be the point of thinking about anything if you aren't allowed to change your mind as situations change and evolve? I'm old enough to remember the advent of the Moral Majority in '79. I found French's description of how politics become a religion intriguing.

You might enjoy that Tim Alberta book that I mentioned.  He lays out a very compelling story of the American Christian church.  

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Beerman said:

Boy, you are REALLY stuck on this.  This is just so trivial compared to the day to day existential problems at our feet now.  Isn't this a school board problem?  Females have the right to drop out of competitions if they want.  Even though I tend to agree with you on this one, I'm willing to let is slide as an issue of importance because it's just looking for a solution about something that is a small problem in the scheme of things affecting our democracy..

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subee said:

Boy, you are REALLY stuck on this.  This is just so trivial compared to the day to day existential problems at our feet now.  Isn't this a school board problem?  Females have the right to drop out of competitions if they want.  Even though I tend to agree with you on this one, I'm willing to let is slide as an issue of importance because it's just looking for a solution about something that is a small problem in the scheme of things affecting our democracy..

It's what the right wing media is talking about rather than the crazy legislation that the Republicans are trying to pass, or the growing evidence that Trump is mentally ill and cognitively challenged, or the economic turmoil created by Trump, or the constitutional crisis caused by belligerent and hateful deportation policy, sloppily executed.  

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subee said:

Boy, you are REALLY stuck on this.  

It's been going on several years that conservatives/republicans have made this not necessary a primary issue, but nonetheless an issue.  I can understand the issues with sports and even with medical transition care for minors (which is not a lot of people) but it almost seems obsessive when they worry about pronouns and definitions that they take up time in legislators and passing laws and haven't let up.

  In my opinion.

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By 2024, some advocates on the other side thought the effort had peaked. A group that opposes restrictions on transgender people, the Human Rights Campaign, issued a report last year declaring it, "increasingly clear that the tide is turning and momentum has begun to shift" against these bills.

But later that year, Republicans saturated campaigns with ads about gender, including attacks on Biden administration policies. The Trump campaign highlighted the issue in ads in swing states. Down-ballot candidates picked up the message, too.

https://www.npr.org/2025/05/10/nx-s1-5377402/republicans-democrats-transgender-sports-legislatures

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Having a trans teen compete in sports is much more concerning to Trump supporters than having a mentally ill old man in cognitive decline used by fascists to throw millions off of healthcare so that they can justify deep tax cuts for the wealthy. Trans athletes are more important than a shadow government running on signal chat so that there's no transparency. Trans teens and young adults are more important to Trump supporters than obvious grifting by the felon POTUS.  

Why are trans people so important to Trump supporters but corrupt fascism and a mentally ill incompetent president is not?  Let's compare thoughts.  

subee said:

Boy, you are REALLY stuck on this.  This is just so trivial compared to the day to day existential problems at our feet now.  Isn't this a school board problem?  Females have the right to drop out of competitions if they want.  Even though I tend to agree with you on this one, I'm willing to let is slide as an issue of importance because it's just looking for a solution about something that is a small problem in the scheme of things affecting our democracy..

You seem just as or more focused to tell me its not a big deal. 

It's actually a symptom of a bigger problem.  And your comment about females having the right to drop out if they want illustrates that.

Why should the females be the ones to drop out?  Why should everyone else be required to cater to the few males who demand to compete against females?  

 

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Beerman said:

You seem just as or more focused to tell me its not a big deal. 

It's actually a symptom of a bigger problem.  And your comment about females having the right to drop out if they want illustrates that.

Why should the females be the ones to drop out?  Why should everyone else be required to cater to the few males who demand to compete against females?  

 

Dude, I think you might want to take one of your  deep dives on the biology of psycho-sexual development and gender as social construct. You seem to have stalled out somewhere in 19th century Europe.

Meanwhile, how interesting to note that while trans denialists are losing their minds over MTF minors playing sports, yet not a peep over FTMs. Why is that, so you think? Years ago, there was a website named butch / femme.com that had a fairly sizable contingent of transpeople. They had sime intense debates in the gender theory threads. The site went defunct before they could even come close to a consensus, but the debate itself was fascinating.

Subee is perfectly capable of explaining herself if she chooses to do so. For me, the current sniping over gender identity is irrelevant, in part, because it assumes as true certain scientific dictums that are turning out to be inaccurate and/or incomplete. Another part is that the whole gender identity controversy centers on the theoretical offenses against cis people.  No bueno.

heron said:

Meanwhile, how interesting to note that while trans denialists are losing their minds over MTF minors playing sports, yet not a peep over FTMs. Why is that, so you think?

I'm not sure what a "trans denialist" is.

I'm not aware of any FTM's competing in and dominating male competitions.  Why is that, so you think?

In the case of many sports, including competitive high school track and field as referenced above, why not the bio males compete against each other and the females compete against each other?  Everyone's included.  Maybe you can explain how my take on that (and Subee and Tweety's too I believe, and most Americans) is 19th century European thinking?

heron said:

For me, the current sniping over gender identity is irrelevant, in part, because it assumes as true certain scientific dictums that are turning out to be inaccurate and/or incomplete. 

As I mentioned, there doesn't seem to be any FTM's dominating any males in any sport.  Seems to kinda back up those scientific dictums that you don't want to believe, dontchya think?

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