This was interesting in the news today...

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https://www.npr.org/2023/02/16/1157480905/spain-menstrual-leave-teen-abortion-trans-laws

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The abortion law builds on legislation passed in 2010 that represented a major shift for a traditionally Catholic country, transforming Spain into one of the most progressive countries in Europe on reproductive rights. Spain's constitutional court last week rejected a challenge by the right-wing Popular Party against allowing abortions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.

The debate will be heated in Spain, I imagine, as the conservative opposition pushes back. My daughter had horrible menstrual pain during her adolescence and young adulthood.  I'm certain that she would have benefitted from that time. 

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Beerman said:

Ug, what do the corrupt police officers who are being prosecuted have to do with Trump?

 

They do things with impunity because they've largely had immunity.

 

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Beerman said:

 

 

Qualified immunity pertains to lawsuits and doesn't protect those who knowingly break the law.

The news article posted has nothing to do with qualified immunity or anything to do with Trump.

I think the member who posted it was trying to make an analogy to Trump.  It should now be clear to all that it is a deeply flawed analogy.

Hasn't SCOTUS granted immunity to Trump for things the rest of us would be jailed?  

subee said:

Hasn't SCOTUS granted immunity to Trump for things the rest of us would be jailed?  

No.

One misinformed question to deflect from a previous misinformed comment.

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Beerman said:

 

 

Qualified immunity pertains to lawsuits and doesn't protect those who knowingly break the law.

The news article posted has nothing to do with qualified immunity or anything to do with Trump.

I think the member who posted it was trying to make an analogy to Trump.  It should now be clear to all that it is a deeply flawed analogy.

Providing people any kind of perceived  immunity from the consequences of breaking laws leads to abuse of power and corruption.  Our legislators provided qualified immunity to police and police are deeply troubled by corruption in their ranks.  Our SCOTUS declared that presidents are immune as long as they believe they are carrying out the duties of the office and Trump is abusing that notion right now.  

toomuchbaloney said:

Providing people any kind of perceived  immunity from the consequences of breaking laws leads to abuse of power and corruption.  Our legislators provided qualified immunity to police and police are deeply troubled by corruption in their ranks.  Our SCOTUS declared that presidents are immune as long as they believe they are carrying out the duties of the office and Trump is abusing that notion right now.  

Nope.

As I said, qualified immunity doesn't protect those who knowingly break the law.  As you said, they were using and trafficking seized drugs.  A cop would obviously know that is against the law.  Doubtful they thought that it didn't matter if they got caught, they'd get off.  They just didn't think they'd get caught. 

Qualified immunity,  legislature, SCOTUS, Trump, etc was not a factor. 

I'm looking forward to where you move the goalposts next.

 

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Simple Sabotage Field Manual Office of Strategic Services

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This Simple Sabotage Field Manual Strategic Services (Provisional) is published for the information and guidance of all concerned and will be used as the basic doctrine for Strategic Services training for this subject.

The contents of this Manual should be carefully controlled and should not be allowed to come into unauthorized hands.

The instructions may be placed in separate pamphlets or leaflets according to categories of operations but should be distributed with care and not broadly. They should be used as a basis of radio broadcasts only for local and special cases and as directed by the theater commander.

AR 380-5, pertaining to handling of secret documents, will be complied with in the handling of this Manual.

William J. Donovan

CONTENTS

1. INTRODUCTION

2. POSSIBLE EFFECTS

3. MOTIVATING THE SABOTEUR

4. TOOLS, TARGETS, AND TIMING

5. SPECIFIC SUGGESTIONS FOR SIMPLE SABOTAGE

The CIA guidebook to Good Trouble.

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Beerman said:

No.

One misinformed question to deflect from a previous misinformed comment.

I disagree with your assessment and characterization.  Now what? 

toomuchbaloney said:

And your point?

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chare said:

And your point?

Chickens coming home to roost, maybe? When it comes to destabilizing other countries, the CIA quite literally wrote the manual.

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chare said:

And your point?

LOL

I think the point of a CIA Field Manual for Sabotage seems straightforward.  Which part is confusing? 

toomuchbaloney said:

LOL

I think the point of a CIA Field Manual for Sabotage seems straightforward.  Which part is confusing? 

The confusion arose when you posted the title, table of contents, and link without any context.  

Particularly considering that this can't be a CIA manual, as the CIA wasn't established until 1947.  It's an extremely outdated Office of Strategic Services (OSS) field manual published in 1944.

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Beerman said:

Nope.

As I said, qualified immunity doesn't protect those who knowingly break the law.  As you said, they were using and trafficking seized drugs.  A cop would obviously know that is against the law.  Doubtful they thought that it didn't matter if they got caught, they'd get off.  They just didn't think they'd get caught. 

Qualified immunity,  legislature, SCOTUS, Trump, etc was not a factor. 

I'm looking forward to where you move the goalposts next.

 

Sure. 

Moving goal posts is something that Trump supporters are quite accepting of.  I can't imagine why you would mention it in this context.  

chare said:

The confusion arose when you posted the title, table of contents, and link without any context.  

Particularly considering that this can't be a CIA manual, as the CIA wasn't established until 1947.  It's an extremely outdated Office of Strategic Services (OSS) field manual published in 1944.

So what's your question again? 

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