The abortion law builds on legislation passed in 2010 that represented a major shift for a traditionally Catholic country, transforming Spain into one of the most progressive countries in Europe on reproductive rights. Spain's constitutional court last week rejected a challenge by the right-wing Popular Party against allowing abortions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.
The debate will be heated in Spain, I imagine, as the conservative opposition pushes back. My daughter had horrible menstrual pain during her adolescence and young adulthood. I'm certain that she would have benefitted from that time.
Many want to decriminalize illegal immigration. At least one member here has said it.
The Biden administration removed border barriers installed by the State of Texas.
We already are giving them free stuff.
There are some out there that flat out advocate for a open border.
The Mayor of Denver has said the city won't cooperate with Trump's deportation efforts, even threatening to use the police department against it (good luck with that).
If illegal immigration is decriminalized, the effect is at the least a very porous border and a significant amount of Democrats are all for it.
You usually know what you're talking about so even though you didn't back it up with a link and I'm not in the mood to Google it, I'll listen. I'm not sure how you are defining "many".
Many people, myself included, are not in favor of deporting non-citizens that have been working and contributing to our society, doing dirty jobs we don't want, for a decade or longer, and certainly not their children. There should be a track to get them legal status rather than deporting them.
I'm talking about most Americans are not in favor of illegal immigrants, and criminals and garbage walking into our country at will and getting free stuff through an open border. I've said this many times and this will be the last. We can agree to disagree if you think otherwise.
This is different from "mass deportations of 11 million people".
In my quote of the article is a link to the poll with the actual question.
What exactly do you mean by "election reform "?
With the exception of the 3rd question, the other two are vague and meaningless. Questions should be formed that require the answer be specific; not does one think we are 'worst " or "better." That's why I don't give them any weight. We still don't anything about how these responders were selected. Walking put of the Cato Institute or on the the campus at UC Santa Barbara?
Election reform? Look to other 1st world countries. Candidates get 1 or 2 months to campaign with the money that was assigned equally to them all. They all get the same media time on radio and TV. It's not that difficult to level the campaign field. Our system is anti-democratic as well as corruptible. Citizens United has befouled us. What do the words election reform mean to you and why are you opposed?
I don't think "fascist regime" was talked about much in 2016. He was more of a dark horse and unknown. It was when he showed his true colors and rhetoric, that the topic came more prevalent.
I think he definitely is a fascist wannabe.
He wasn't an unknown in NYC where he is mostly despised. He screwed Atlantic City decades ago when he ran out of money on his unfinished casino after promising the city he would pay for it all. He was an unmanageable ego maniac as a child and was sent off to military school after his parents couldn't reign him in. He really DID hang out with Epstein. Dirtbag from birth.
There are some out there that flat out advocate for a open border.
I did some searching for people who advocate for an open border, because I was unfamiliar with anyone who had that opinion. What I came up with was a list of mostly libertarians, who are often identify as Republican (such as Rand Paul). Others advocating for open borders do so for humanitarian or egalitarian reasons.
I am not aware of any Democrats or progressives in favor of an open border. I think many are aware that people are fleeing violence and famine. And I think they are aware of how much of our economy depends on immigrants doing hard jobs, and paying into a system they seldom benefit from.
I'm talking about most Americans are not in favor of illegal immigrants, and criminals and garbage walking into our country at will and getting free stuff through an open border. I've said this many times and this will be the last. We can agree to disagree if you think otherwise.
I agree that most Americans are not in favor of open borders, and many Democrats and liberals such as yourself do not.
But, the actions such as I mentioned before and will again below suggest that many do.
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I did some searching for people who advocate for an open border, because I was unfamiliar with anyone who had that opinion. What I came up with was a list of mostly libertarians, who are often identify as Republican (such as Rand Paul). Others advocating for open borders do so for humanitarian or egalitarian reasons.
I am not aware of any Democrats or progressives in favor of an open border. I think many are aware that people are fleeing violence and famine. And I think they are aware of how much of our economy depends on immigrants doing hard jobs, and paying into a system they seldom benefit from.
You and Tweety both skipped over the actions of Democrats that I mentioned that many are in favor of open borders.
What would be the effect of decriminalizing illegal immigration? How about a Democrat mayor of a major city saying the city won't cooperate with Trump deporting illegal immigrants? What does it mean to you when the Biden administration removes barriers on the border placed by Texas? And let's not forget the same administration has been very lax on enforcing immigration laws.
Here is one article that my quick Google search netted:
"The truth is that MAGA is right about Democrats and open borders. The deepest values any true Democrat holds point ineluctably toward open borders and freedom of movement for all people. We as Democrats must stop cringing from this core truth, and we must stop kowtowing to anti-immigrant rhetoric that only serves reactionary causes. Only an open border is consistent with freedom, democratic government, diversity, and racial justice."
I agree that most Americans are not in favor of open borders, and many Democrats and liberals such as yourself do not.
But, the actions such as I mentioned before and will again below suggest that many do.
You and Tweety both skipped over the actions of Democrats that I mentioned that many are in favor of open borders.
What would be the effect of decriminalizing illegal immigration? How about a Democrat mayor of a major city saying the city won't cooperate with Trump deporting illegal immigrants? What does it mean to you when the Biden administration removes barriers on the border placed by Texas? And let's not forget the same administration has been very lax on enforcing immigration laws.
Here is one article that my quick Google search netted:
"The truth is that MAGA is right about Democrats and open borders. The deepest values any true Democrat holds point ineluctably toward open borders and freedom of movement for all people. We as Democrats must stop cringing from this core truth, and we must stop kowtowing to anti-immigrant rhetoric that only serves reactionary causes. Only an open border is consistent with freedom, democratic government, diversity, and racial justice."
You and Tweety both skipped over the actions of Democrats that I mentioned that many are in favor of open borders.
I explained that was because you didn't source any information on it and I was too lazy too Google it. I'm too lazy now as I put in a 14 hour day. LOL
It's quite easy to find articles that say Democrats want open borders, just as easy as it is to find the contrary.
I'll read the article but the first part seems to speak of "progressive democrats" that are are making the case, which might be the equivalent of a group similar to the "Freedom Caucus" that bloviates a lot but doesn't represent the party. Or just a group like the Federalist that called Dolly Parton a fake Christian. Most of what I've read so far I would just is a bunch of bull crap.
Are there any Democrats in power that are supporting this group's idea because it wasn't Biden or Harris. Has any democrat put forth a bill that de-criminalizes illegal immigration? Democrats apparently have moved in the other direction due to criticism from republicans and public pressure. (This in and of itself I'm sure the right will find a way to criticize). But I'm not seeing a shift towards an open border or decriminalization of illegal entry from Democrats in power or in the general opinion of most democrats. Sure you'll find some extremists on both sides. One that wants to deport legal immigrants and one that wants to let everyone walk in through an open border.
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"What we are seeing is that the center of the Democratic Party is now adopting the same policies, the same postures, that MAGA Republicans were fighting for about six years ago," Elora Mukherjee, the director of the Immigrants' Rights Clinic at Columbia Law School, told NPR.
Hmm. The author is a semiconductor engineer the article appears in a podcast that has 108 members. I would say this is not very representative of mainstream democrats.
I think most democrats understand that our country depends on immigration to staff our workplaces, especially with our aging population. We also need to streamline the worker visa process, so that seasonal workers can go back and forth. I think democrats also want some sort of control of the borders, with vetting, while granting asylum to people who fear for their lives.
On the other hand, I think Republicans want open borders because immigrants are the scapegoats for their bad policies. Growing deficit? Blame immigrants. High prices? blame immigrants. Lack of affordable housing, illegal drugs? Yup, you guessed it.
Hmm. The author is a semiconductor engineer the article appears in a podcast that has 108 members. I would say this is not very representative of mainstream democrats.
I think most democrats understand that our country depends on immigration to staff our workplaces, especially with our aging population. We also need to streamline the worker visa process, so that seasonal workers can go back and forth. I think democrats also want some sort of control of the borders, with vetting, while granting asylum to people who fear for their lives.
On the other hand, I think Republicans want open borders because immigrants are the scapegoats for their bad policies. Growing deficit? Blame immigrants. High prices? blame immigrants. Lack of affordable housing, illegal drugs? Yup, you guessed it.
LOL....the Biden administration removed border barriers and didn't enforce immigration law because we're short of workers?
If they want vetting, well then why haven't they been? Why do Democrat run sanctuary cities refuse to cooperate with ICE?
No one is advocating for no immigration.
I'll acknowledge that Republicans at times go overboard with the illegal immigration rhetoric. It's to score political points on that specific issue, however. Not to scapegoat. That should be obvious. Does the Trump administration sound like they're going to tolerate open border policies?
I did some searching for people who advocate for an open border, because I was unfamiliar with anyone who had that opinion. What I came up with was a list of mostly libertarians, who are often identify as Republican (such as Rand Paul). Others advocating for open borders do so for humanitarian or egalitarian reasons.
I am not aware of any Democrats or progressives in favor of an open border. I think many are aware that people are fleeing violence and famine. And I think they are aware of how much of our economy depends on immigrants doing hard jobs, and paying into a system they seldom benefit from.
Yep. We are accused of holding such views but I've never read about nor known anyone in favor of open borders. I think it's Tucker Carlson crowd thing.
There's not enough info in this report to judge the value of the data. Where was it done? What was the wording of the questions? I'm calling BS on this one . Most poll questions are not specific enough to elicit a meaningful response. The Dems need to come up with a more moderate candidate if they want to win anything. BUT, not one thing will change unless we introduce election reform which is anathema to Repubs because it wouldn't be friendly to the election industry we have in America.
Kamala is not drunk. People did the same thing when Hilary was running by manipulation of images to make her appear to be slurring.
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You usually know what you're talking about so even though you didn't back it up with a link and I'm not in the mood to Google it, I'll listen. I'm not sure how you are defining "many".
Many people, myself included, are not in favor of deporting non-citizens that have been working and contributing to our society, doing dirty jobs we don't want, for a decade or longer, and certainly not their children. There should be a track to get them legal status rather than deporting them.
I'm talking about most Americans are not in favor of illegal immigrants, and criminals and garbage walking into our country at will and getting free stuff through an open border. I've said this many times and this will be the last. We can agree to disagree if you think otherwise.
This is different from "mass deportations of 11 million people".
https://www.newsweek.com/poll-finds-deportation-policies-unpopular-1975768