The abortion law builds on legislation passed in 2010 that represented a major shift for a traditionally Catholic country, transforming Spain into one of the most progressive countries in Europe on reproductive rights. Spain's constitutional court last week rejected a challenge by the right-wing Popular Party against allowing abortions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.
The debate will be heated in Spain, I imagine, as the conservative opposition pushes back. My daughter had horrible menstrual pain during her adolescence and young adulthood. I'm certain that she would have benefitted from that time.
Trump's supporters don't want to address the central issue, which is that Trump's approach to power much more closely resembles an autocratic, fascist leader than an American, democratic one. So they highlight the word "Hitler" in the same way that they at times highlight the word "racist”: as a way of suggesting that their opponents are once again hyperventilating without reason and lifting up the most damaging rhetoric they can muster, regardless of how applicable it might be. The benefit of doing so is that they then don't have to address the underlying criticisms and concerns.
The criticism is you hanging on to it and using it as an excuse to avoid any discussion but you don't seem to get that and even now went on to explain to me yet again that you didn't like the Nazi reference (which again I have to explain to you was not a part of the Democratic campaign).
Me: "............". You: (changing the topic) "but your side called him a Nazi." Me: "there you go again avoiding a topic". You: but it was a disgusting narrative.
Again, I can understand you not wanting to play nice and we can call each other out every post. Won't hurt my feelings.
Yeah I suppose I'm a little sore about overuse of comparison to the 1940s facist regime. It wasn't part of the democrat campaign? I didn't see it in a paid campaine advertisement but it was referenced several times by democrats and even Biden.
I'll try harder to stay on topic. I'm glad neither of our feelings are hurt.
Vance was a "never Trumper" that called him "the New Hitler". Perhaps he too was a victim of propaganda. But clearly he contributed to the propaganda of the time as a public figure. Whether his rapid change over the last two years was enlightenment and genuine or opportunistic is anyone's guess. Regardless Trump forgave him and moved on and picked him and he is squarely Team Trump MAGA. (Which was my point in bringing up Vance, perhaps you should too should move on as Trump did).
It's all beside the point because America clearly wanted Trump. Democrats over the top demonization of Trump backfired and rightly are taking a look at that.
That Trump called Harris a fascist and used insults like scum and lied endlessly is no cause for soul searching since he won. The "it's not as bad as being called a Nazi" card will come out anyway.
I think Vance's VP status clearly excludes him from a "never Trumper". Who knows. You're right, Trump doesn't seem to care. It could be that even Trump has become desensitized to the freely hurled reference to the infamous 1940s regime? It's like being called stupid. Offensive but redundant. That's the problem.
I'd rather be called a biological substance with millions of bacteria that occurs naturally in water like in swaps lands than a name that was responsible to the murder of millions of people. I agree, it's worse.
I do not think Trump has time to reflect on the feelings of the people who he insulted or those who insulted him and to search his soul. More pressing matters to attend to. It doesn't matter anyway, as you said, Trump won and the over the top demonizing was one of the reasons why the American people chose him. So he really doesn't need to say anything. Perhaps neither do I.
Oh? So the WaPo finally admits that he's not "literally Hitler" now? Why? Because it blew up in their face? So he's like totally not Hitler but but but........ " I can't read past the pay wall.
Oh? So the WaPo finally admits that he's not "literally Hitler" now? Why? Because it blew up in their face? So he's like totally not Hitler but but but........ " I can't read past the pay wall.
My best friend subscribes to WaPo and while he thinks Trump is fascist says WaPo never thought he was Hitler and he doesn't either. So it's not like they are changing their mind.
I don't want to sugar coat any references the president or left-wing media made. But as a consumer if MSM myself it was barely a blip on the radar. "Threat to Democracy" was the theme. His lies was a theme. His demonizing government institutions was a theme. His guilty verdict and criminal accusations were a theme. Being a Nazi not so much.
Oh? So the WaPo finally admits that he's not "literally Hitler" now? Why? Because it blew up in their face? So he's like totally not Hitler but but but........ " I can't read past the pay wall.
I apologize for the paywall. I thought I was gifting an article.
The opinion piece by Philip Bump says that Democrats did not call Trump Hitler. His former chief of staff, John Kelly, was quoted as saying Trump admired Hitler's generals. He also said that Trump thought that Hitler had some good qualities.
Trump has said things that are reminiscent of things Hitler said, such as calling people vermin and using the phrase poisoning the blood.
You insist that democrats called Trump "Hitler". And yet, I cannot find any source for that. Can you name 2 democrats who said that? And by the way, Hitler was a fascist. But the term fascist is not the same as Hitler.
From Merriam Webster:
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Fascism : a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition
My best friend subscribes to WaPo and while he thinks Trump is fascist says WaPo never thought he was Hitler and he doesn't either. So it's not like they are changing their mind.
I don't want to sugar coat any references the president or left-wing media made. But as a consumer if MSM myself it was barely a blip on the radar. "Threat to Democracy" was the theme. His lies was a theme. His demonizing government institutions was a theme. His guilty verdict and criminal accusations were a theme. Being a Nazi not so much.
I'll drop it.
nursej22 said:
I apologize for the paywall. I thought I was gifting an article.
The opinion piece by Philip Bump says that Democrats did not call Trump Hitler. His former chief of staff, John Kelly, was quoted as saying Trump admired Hitler's generals. He also said that Trump thought that Hitler had some good qualities.
Trump has said things that are reminiscent of things Hitler said, such as calling people vermin and using the phrase poisoning the blood.
You insist that democrats called Trump "Hitler". And yet, I cannot find any source for that. Can you name 2 democrats who said that? And by the way, Hitler was a fascist. But the term fascist is not the same as Hitler.
From Merriam Webster:
Comparisons to Hitler were made or implied by WashPo, Clinton, Harris, Obama. Carville, and I imagine I could find more if I were to take the time.
My best friend subscribes to WaPo and while he thinks Trump is fascist says WaPo never thought he was Hitler and he doesn't either. So it's not like they are changing their mind.
I don't want to sugar coat any references the president or left-wing media made. But as a consumer if MSM myself it was barely a blip on the radar. "Threat to Democracy" was the theme. His lies was a theme. His demonizing government institutions was a theme. His guilty verdict and criminal accusations were a theme. Being a Nazi not so much.
I'll drop it.
Perhaps CNN and MSNBC are poor representatives of the general democrat voter. Or the msm is dominated by the left. If you as a person I respect, say that the Nazi Hitler narrative wasn't a a general belief with everyday democrat than I'll drop it.
The American people have spoken that they do not think he's a Nazi.
You insist that democrats called Trump "Hitler". And yet, I cannot find any source for that. Can you name 2 democrats who said that? And by the way, Hitler was a fascist. But the term fascist is not the same as Hitler.
What? Hold my beer:
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It was the fourth time in the past six weeks that Biden's campaign has likened Trump's remarks to Hitler's in written statements and probably not the last.
Biden camp posts graphic with Trump pictured next to Hitler
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez likened Donald Trump's anti-immigrant remarks to the words of Adolf Hitler and sought to rally progressive support for Kamala Harris with Bernie Sanders at a rally on Monday night in Madison, Wisconsin.
The Democratic National Committee plans to project unmissable messages in giant, all-capital letters on the New York City landmark, while Trump delivers his closing argument inside, that read "TRUMP PRAISED HITLER,” "TRUMP=UNSTABLE,” "TRUMP=UNHINGED,” "TRUMP=UNFIT,” and "TRUMP=CHEAT.”
I suppose the other problem is the complete hypocrisy. If they really though that Trump was a "threat to democracy " and only lightly referred Trump to Hitler, then why congradulate a racist dictator who is only kinda like Hitler? To be polite and cordial? To a fascist?
I know. Because they never really believed that and decided to exploit the Nazi led genocide to gain power. It's okay tho. The true meaning and implications of 1940 regime has been thrown around it has lost its meaning. This term is readily accepted even by Republicans and goes on without objection in msm and socual media. Rven in these threads. So can't blame them for trying?
It back fired. Obviously the American people didn't believe it and/or noticed the hypocrisy and voted accordingly.
Thanks. I didn't say there weren't any. I remember posting an article myself. I've admitted it was a fear rhetoric and vile at times. But also there were some interesting articles written intelligently about the authoritarian nature of Trumps rhetoric and the nature of the extreme right wing and what happened in Germany early on. People had some genuine concerns considering how he wanted to overthrow the election he lost.
I do believe in Democracy and America and understand he's not Hitler.
I'll stand by what I said in that I listened to NPR and BBC practically daily and rarely if ever heard any mention of it. Maybe my head was in the sand or MSM didn't feel it necessary to cover it in depth.
I suppose the other problem is the complete hypocrisy. If they really though that Trump was a "threat to democracy " and only lightly referred Trump to Hitler, then why congradulate a racist dictator who is only kinda like Hitler? To be polite and cordial? To a fascist?
No one in the Trump camp can talk about hypocrisy. You just can't.
What would you have said about Harris if she denounced Trump instead of conceding? What would you have said about Biden if he said "I'm not helping with the transition of power, because he's going to be the new Hitler?".
Would you say "oh gee, I respect that, he's keeping the same theme as the campaign. What a guy! "
Why did Trump sit down and be all polite and cordial with Biden and say they had a good meeting when he said he would convict the Biden crime organization?
At the time I gave my opinion that I respect how Harris and Biden acted in defeat. Like decent people. Guess that's not good enough these days.
I might add that you're not understanding the news. The main reason Trump won wasn't because of Democrat hypocrisy in calling him Hitler, it was the economy mainly inflation.
Thank you Beerman, for posting articles that confirm that Trump used the same terminology like vermin and poisoning the blood, that Hitler used.
And calling a wanna be autocrat who wishes to centralize control, demonize a minority as the enemy, and silence any criticism , a fascist, is not the same as calling him Hitler.
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No, Trump is not literally Hitler. So what is he?