The abortion law builds on legislation passed in 2010 that represented a major shift for a traditionally Catholic country, transforming Spain into one of the most progressive countries in Europe on reproductive rights. Spain's constitutional court last week rejected a challenge by the right-wing Popular Party against allowing abortions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.
The debate will be heated in Spain, I imagine, as the conservative opposition pushes back. My daughter had horrible menstrual pain during her adolescence and young adulthood. I'm certain that she would have benefitted from that time.
Thank you Beerman, for posting articles that confirm that Trump used the same terminology like vermin and poisoning the blood, that Hitler used.
And calling a wanna be autocrat who wishes to centralize control, demonize a minority as the enemy, and silence any criticism , a fascist, is not the same as calling him Hitler.
Deflection. You said you hadn't heard any democrat participate in the Hitler rhetoric.
As for your claims, Trump seems to want to decentralize control (ie. abortion and education are some examples and he wants to deregulate many other things)and he has demonized CRIMINAL immigrants.
BTW, Trump voters have been demonized for the last 8 years by democrats and their supporters including in these discussions.
BTW, Trump voters have been demonized for the last 8 years by democrats and their supporters including in these discussions.
We were here. Ask any of us if we meant it.
I meant it, but I do regret how ugly things have become since Obama was elected. He was demonized as a radical Muslim that wasn't even American, rhetoric started and supported by Trump, and things in politics have gone downhill since then. In my opinion, or maybe that's when I started paying more attention to rhetoric. Not that I blame Trump because Democrats have the same character.
But like I said, Trump supporters have a little wiggle room because they won the election, but not much that I take seriously about Dems demonizing them or any claims of hypocrisy.
Years ago, I have admitted that Dems can sometimes be more ugly than republicans.
I routinely get criticized in real life for my "when they go low, you don't have to go low" lifestyle, (thus my support of how Harris and Biden acted in defeat). I at least got people here to stop calling him the "orange one" LOL, even though I got labeled "no better than a Trump supporter". That person left years ago in a fit of anger and seriously hated Trump and anyone that made him president. Can't remember her name.
No one in the Trump camp can talk about hypocrisy. You just can't.
What would you have said about Harris if she denounced Trump instead of conceding? What would you have said about Biden if he said "I'm not helping with the transition of power, because he's going to be the new Hitler?".
Would you say "oh gee, I respect that, he's keeping the same theme as the campaign. What a guy! "
Why did Trump sit down and be all polite and cordial with Biden and say they had a good meeting when he said he would convict the Biden crime organization?
At the time I gave my opinion that I respect how Harris and Biden acted in defeat. Like decent people. Guess that's not good enough these days.
I might add that you're not understanding the news. The main reason Trump won wasn't because of Democrat hypocrisy in calling him Hitler, it was the economy mainly inflation.
I said I was going to drop it but if you claim someone is a fascist compared them and his supporters to the H and NZ word and is going to destroy our democracy then congradulate him just to look nice, actually makes them look like disingenuous politicians. And proves they didn't even believe their own narrative. Allot of people did believe them tho.
Don't get me wrong, it was the professional thing to do but it still comes across as lacking integrity. It also doesn't inspire the people to believe their rhetoric here after. Some people are like "what the hell?" " I thought he was a NZ dictator?".
I think a comparable hypocrisy would be if Trump now conceded to the 2020 election after calling it illegitimate after he won the 2024 election. Regardless if it was true or not, Trump never deflected from his stance that the 2020 election was fraudulent. He must have really meant and believed it. Harris/Biden never really believed their own words. See the difference?
I meant it, but I do regret how ugly things have become since Obama was elected. He was demonized as a radical Muslim that wasn't even American, rhetoric started and supported by Trump, and things in politics have gone downhill since then. In my opinion, or maybe that's when I started paying more attention to rhetoric. Not that I blame Trump because Democrats have the same character.
But like I said, Trump supporters have a little wiggle room because they won the election, but not much that I take seriously about Dems demonizing them or any claims of hypocrisy.
Years ago, I have admitted that Dems can sometimes be more ugly than republicans.
I routinely get criticized in real life for my "when they go low, you don't have to go low" lifestyle, (thus my support of how Harris and Biden acted in defeat). I at least got people here to stop calling him the "orange one" LOL, even though I got labeled "no better than a Trump supporter". That person left years ago in a fit of anger and seriously hated Trump and anyone that made him president. Can't remember her name.
I didn't have you in mind. You criticize Trump and others. I have no problem with that. But others make it more personal. Why wouldn't I think they mean it? And, actually that doesn't even matter.
Ha, yes I do remember you encouraging others to get away from calling Trump names.
I remember who you're talking about. She was a real piece of work.
Thanks. I didn't say there weren't any. I remember posting an article myself. I've admitted it was a fear rhetoric and vile at times. But also there were some interesting articles written intelligently about the authoritarian nature of Trumps rhetoric and the nature of the extreme right wing and what happened in Germany early on. People had some genuine concerns considering how he wanted to overthrow the election he lost.
I do believe in Democracy and America and understand he's not Hitler.
I'll stand by what I said in that I listened to NPR and BBC practically daily and rarely if ever heard any mention of it. Maybe my head was in the sand or MSM didn't feel it necessary to cover it in depth.
I've said all I need to say.
The examples were for J22 who asked me to name at least 2 democrats. Sure. Perhaps there are some Nazi cross overs, depending on how you look at it and why.
One could say the progressive far left radicals and their "whitness" narrative could be comparable with what Hitler did to the Jews. Blamed one group of people for all the ills of Germany. With systems designed only for them and at the cost of other citizens. Who owned all the buisnesses and held the majority of the weath while the other German citizens suffered. That the jews had inherent sin just by being Jewish and even the "good jews" are not to be trusted. That these systems that oppress the Germans had to be dismantled for the others to prosper. Hitler convinced the German people that they are perpetual victims and gave them something to blame their hardship on. Then convinced them his government will take over all the social departments to make sure these systems and the terrible jews couldn't oppress them anymore. Sound a bit familiar?
The point is, just like anyone can pull out the DSM and find a few symptoms they have on any given mental illness. The same can be said for the Nazi comparison. However just as it is not a good idea to self diagnose from the DSM it shouldn't be easy to accuse someone of being a Nazi. Nor common as it perverts the word and devalues the actual meaning and events behind that word. At the sametime tho, if you say it, you believe it, own it. Biden/Harris did neither.
No one in the Trump camp can talk about hypocrisy. You just can't.
What would you have said about Harris if she denounced Trump instead of conceding? What would you have said about Biden if he said "I'm not helping with the transition of power, because he's going to be the new Hitler?".
Would you say "oh gee, I respect that, he's keeping the same theme as the campaign. What a guy! "
Why did Trump sit down and be all polite and cordial with Biden and say they had a good meeting when he said he would convict the Biden crime organization?
At the time I gave my opinion that I respect how Harris and Biden acted in defeat. Like decent people. Guess that's not good enough these days.
I might add that you're not understanding the news. The main reason Trump won wasn't because of Democrat hypocrisy in calling him Hitler, it was the economy mainly inflation.
Deflection. You said you hadn't heard any democrat participate in the Hitler rhetoric.
As for your claims, Trump seems to want to decentralize control (ie. abortion and education are some examples and he wants to deregulate many other things)and he has demonized CRIMINAL immigrants.
BTW, Trump voters have been demonized for the last 8 years by democrats and their supporters including in these discussions.
True, Trump doesn't like criticism.
At this point, much like the NZ dictator rhetoric, democrats know very well that Trummp refers to ILLEGAL immigrants. And do not believe he's demonizing all immigrants Sometimes they forget the illegal part. However I suspect they leave it out on purpose. It's almost like they don't believe their own rhetoric. Huh........?
I said I was going to drop it but if you claim someone is a fascist compared them and his supporters to the H and NZ word and is going to destroy our democracy then congradulate him just to look nice, actually makes them look like disingenuous politicians. And proves they didn't even believe their own narrative. Allot of people did believe them tho.
Don't get me wrong, it was the professional thing to do but it still comes across as lacking integrity. It also doesn't inspire the people to believe their rhetoric here after. Some people are like "what the hell?" " I thought he was a NZ dictator?".
I think a comparable hypocrisy would be if Trump now conceded to the 2020 election after calling it illegitimate after he won the 2024 election. Regardless if it was true or not, Trump never deflected from his stance that the 2020 election was fraudulent. He must have really meant and believed it. Harris/Biden never really believed their own words. See the difference?
Then Trump was delusional and got many people to believe his delusion.
Trump is a horrible person and I decline to listen how horrible Democrats behaved from his camp ad nauseum. I've listen tened once, I've reflected, and I've agreed with some points and you've gone there over and and over again. Repeating again about the meeting after the defeat, I don't believe keeping the tradition of conceding and having a White House meeting meant they didn't believe their own narrative. But like I said before it was fake nice. Candidates are at each other's throats telling the country how horrible the other candidate is. Then they have a meeting.
Yes, I understand people chose Trump and he won the popular vote. That means something.
That suggest that the economy was so bad that they voted for him eventhough he was a Nazi dictator.
No. The over the top rhetoric caused the people to not believe the disingenuous nazi hyperbole thrown at Trump and Republicans.
Yes you can interpret it that they way if it makes sense to you, and you might not be wrong, except the economy isn't that bad. Prices are bad for sure. But clearly they rejected Dem rhetoric. I'm saying in after polls voters aren't saying that it was Nazi rhetoric that made them vote for Trump.
I will amend myself it to add they voted for him despite guilty verdicts and criminal trials pending, despite not believing in a fair and legal election in 2020, despite doubling down on name calling himself, etc. etc.
So it probably was inflation and issues they thought he could handle better and anger at Biden moreso than Nazi rhetoric. In my opinion.
Again, I've given my opinion over and over again and this many weeks out I've seen much analysis on the defeat and I'll switch to newer topics and let this one go.
At this point, much like the NZ dictator rhetoric, democrats know very well that Trummp refers to ILLEGAL immigrants. And do not believe he's demonizing all immigrants Sometimes they forget the illegal part. However I suspect they leave it out on purpose. It's almost like they don't believe their own rhetoric. Huh........?
No offense, but the other day you said you were a victim of propaganda and it almost seems like you still are.
Anyway, the above quote is not true in all cases. The people in Springfield that he claimed were "eating the dogs and eating the cats" are there legally. He said he was going to deport them.
It could be argued that making up your own rules of deportation is something a dictator would do, but I won't stretch it that far. I suppose he can go through legal channels to get the rules changed so more people can't enter under this kind of status, especially if we're the garbage dump of the world.
He's also spoken of lessening the amount of legal immigrantion and suspending legal immigration for 60 days. This would have some ramifications of highly skilled workers that are not taking our jobs but have skilled our poorly educated and motivated society don't have in the numbers required.
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President-elect Trump's incoming administration is expected to take aim at legal immigration in addition to cracking down on the illegal variety, slowing the pace of application approvals and redirecting resources to look for fraud in old applications, including naturalizations.
Many advocates don't like deportations. If you remember Obama who deported at a very high rate received protests. It's a hot topic no matter who is doing it. So no, Democrats don't want an open border where they can walk in steal our jobs, commit crimes and get free stuff. We never have. We don't want illegal immigrants anymore than Republicans do, but that's not the narrative Republicans want you to believe. But again, we've been there and done that many discussions ago.
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"Since signaling a new course in our immigration policy a few weeks ago, President Obama has continued his aggressive persecution, jailing, and deportation of hundreds of thousands of immigrants who he has labeled 'criminals' and whose lives are being destroyed through traffic violations and similar minor infractions,” said Roberto Lovato of Presente.org, a Latino rights organization.
Then Trump was delusional and got many people to believe his delusion.
Trump is a horrible person and I decline to listen how horrible Democrats behaved from his camp ad nauseum. I've listen tened once, I've reflected, and I've agreed with some points and you've gone there over and and over again. Repeating again about the meeting after the defeat, I don't believe keeping the tradition of conceding and having a White House meeting meant they didn't believe their own narrative. But like I said before it was fake nice. Candidates are at each other's throats telling the country how horrible the other candidate is. Then they have a meeting.
Yes, I understand people chose Trump and he won the popular vote. That means something.
Exactly. Trump can be described as horrible or delusional all on his own. However inflating that with "H" and the "NZ" is unnecessary and disingenuous. Not to mention the people who died a suffered under that regime.
And yet even in his delusion he maintained his position . He really believed that the 2020 election was fraudulent and Saud so. B8den/Harris and other democrats never believed he was really a NZ dictator. They just exploited the word and the people who died under real NZ. Still strikes me worse that Trump's school yard insults. In my opinion anyway.
No offense, but the other day you said you were a victim of propaganda and it almost seems like you still are.
Anyway, the above quote is not true in all cases. The people in Springfield that he claimed were "eating the dogs and eating the cats" are there legally. He said he was going to deport them.
It could be argued that making up your own rules of deportation is something a dictator would do, but I won't stretch it that far. I suppose he can go through legal channels to get the rules changed so more people can't enter under this kind of status, especially if we're the garbage dump of the world.
He's also spoken of lessening the amount of legal immigrantion and suspending legal immigration for 60 days. This would have some ramifications of highly skilled workers that are not taking our jobs but have skilled our poorly educated and motivated society don't have in the numbers required.
Many advocates don't like deportations. If you remember Obama who deported at a very high rate received protests. It's a hot topic no matter who is doing it. So no, Democrats don't want an open border where they can walk in steal our jobs, commit crimes and get free stuff. We never have. We don't want illegal immigrants anymore than Republicans do, but that's not the narrative Republicans want you to believe. But again, we've been there and done that many discussions ago.
The legal migrants initially entered illegally. Then became legal under that program in Springfield. There was a viral rumor about the cats and dogs. Unfortunately he decided to repeate it at a debate. He didn't make up that rumor himself. No credible reports doesn't mean no reports and sometimes police cannot lay charges for a crime with no evidence. They would need to catch them actually eating a peice of meat and test what that meat is.
A large amount of legal immigrants entering isn't good either. Especially when the economy can't sustain the the people already here.
And yet the democrats allowed far left extreemist to be loud enough and catered to so much that they are hesitant to say that they "don't want illegal immigrants either" out loud. Lest be outlasted by the "woke" mob.
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Deflection. You said you hadn't heard any democrat participate in the Hitler rhetoric.
As for your claims, Trump seems to want to decentralize control (ie. abortion and education are some examples and he wants to deregulate many other things)and he has demonized CRIMINAL immigrants.
BTW, Trump voters have been demonized for the last 8 years by democrats and their supporters including in these discussions.
True, Trump doesn't like criticism.