This was interesting in the news today...

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https://www.npr.org/2023/02/16/1157480905/spain-menstrual-leave-teen-abortion-trans-laws

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The abortion law builds on legislation passed in 2010 that represented a major shift for a traditionally Catholic country, transforming Spain into one of the most progressive countries in Europe on reproductive rights. Spain's constitutional court last week rejected a challenge by the right-wing Popular Party against allowing abortions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.

The debate will be heated in Spain, I imagine, as the conservative opposition pushes back. My daughter had horrible menstrual pain during her adolescence and young adulthood.  I'm certain that she would have benefitted from that time. 

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Crusades said:

Almost all left news sources and democrats convieniently left out Trump's Jan.6 speech.  🙄 

 

I disagree.  His speech that day was reported and was used against him in the case to impeach him.   

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Crusades said:

This is a reasonable position to take. A other member has decided I'm a far right, cult "sycophant " probable Nazi MAGA Trump lover a supporter of rape and various extremist groups....  I am not and fell prey to the inflammatory "MAGA " propaganda technique used by far left ideologies.  Which turned me away from the democratic party because the actual democrats that use to be reasonable fail to call out these extremist. 

I don't love Trump. He would not be my first  choice. I don't hate Biden. However I genuinely believe he is in cognitive decline and the people close to him exploit this to gain power. It's really sad. And unfortunately sometimes no matter how sad, we need to at a certain point we have to revoke grandpa's drivers licence because allowing grandpa to drive is irresponsible and can be unsafe for grandpa and other people.  (Drivers license is a metaphor for the presidency, if not obvious). 

 I think many Americans see the difference in their finances and do think that some of the cases against Trump are politically motivated.  They see the border and the Biden administration has allowed a vulgar amount of  un vetted "migrants" into the country.  They see with their own eyes that many of these people don't quite fit the people who  need asylum.  Where as many Americans including myself think actual migrants, families should be allowed a chance of citizenship. However with our own eyes see this is not happening.  

If the vote came down to "nicer man" I would vote Biden. Unfortunately just as the drivers license, I cannot overlook the safety and risk by giving Biden the presidency again. He's had a 4 year "drivers licence test" he failed. 

Unfortunately the only other option is Trump. 

Fair enough.  Many people are making the choice for a candidate they don't like because of Biden.  I get that.  I don't get how Trump is even the nominee but that's a broken record and irrelevant at this point.

Again for some people it's issues and who they think is better equipped to handle it.  The border and inflation are of concern for all of us, but the border in particular seems to be a bigger issue with republicans and I think even Democrats think Trump would be better at border control that Biden, but it also didn't look good that Biden offered an olive branch that wasn't taken by Republicans.  Democrats also have concerns about the economy but don't necessarily blame Biden for inflation or think Trump would do a better job.  Democrats also have concerns about abortion rights, the environment, equality (including LGBT but it doesn't help that republicans, including Senator Hawley, are gaga over Harrison Butker), etc.  A big issue with Democrats and myself is the belief in Democracy.  

Trump is not an option.  The clear choice is Biden.

 

   

 

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Tweety said:

I disagree.  His speech that day was reported and was used against him in the case to impeach him.   

And then he was exonerated of both in the senate.....  

Yet and here included the exonorati9n is left out and runs a little like this "Trump twice impeached president.  ...... ..........  .........." But the exonoration is not mentioned. 

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Crusades said:

This is a reasonable position to take. A other member has decided I'm a far right, cult "sycophant " probable Nazi MAGA Trump lover a supporter of rape and various extremist groups....  I am not and fell prey to the inflammatory "MAGA " propaganda technique used by far left ideologies.  Which turned me away from the democratic party because the actual democrats that use to be reasonable fail to call out these extremist. 

I don't love Trump. He would not be my first  choice. I don't hate Biden. However I genuinely believe he is in cognitive decline and the people close to him exploit this to gain power. It's really sad. And unfortunately sometimes no matter how sad, we need to at a certain point we have to revoke grandpa's drivers licence because allowing grandpa to drive is irresponsible and can be unsafe for grandpa and other people.  (Drivers license is a metaphor for the presidency, if not obvious). 

 I think many Americans see the difference in their finances and do think that some of the cases against Trump are politically motivated.  They see the border and the Biden administration has allowed a vulgar amount of  un vetted "migrants" into the country.  They see with their own eyes that many of these people don't quite fit the people who  need asylum.  Where as many Americans including myself think actual migrants, families should be allowed a chance of citizenship. However with our own eyes see this is not happening.  

If the vote came down to "nicer man" I would vote Biden. Unfortunately just as the drivers license, I cannot overlook the safety and risk by giving Biden the presidency again. He's had a 4 year "drivers licence test" he failed. 

Unfortunately the only other option is Trump. 

We can read your comments and your comments reflect your values and ethics and thinking, just like you see mine reflected in my remarks.  The best way to not be perceived as a Trump zealot is to not act and speak like a Trump zealot.  

Your story life story isn't the topic of discussion.  

Your comments about not loving Trump and not hating Biden don't really fit with your comment pattern.  

I challenge your assessment of Biden's cognitive skills as compared to Trump's.  I think you are flat out wrong.  I have that opinion because I watch their speeches on YouTube.  I've been paying attention for a long time. 

While I am definitely biased toward Biden, my bias is bolstered by Trump's sociopathic behavior.  My POV is strengthened by Trump's musing about ignoring parts of the constitution or having multiple terms. My POV is appropriate when Trump speaks of resolving the war in Ukraine by giving Putin what he wants. Or when he talks about pulling out of NATO. What is your POV and opinion about their cognitive status based upon?  Rhetoric? Snippets and excerpts? 

I think every American has heard Trump and Trump surrogates and sychophants say that Trump's legal cases are politically motivated.  That messaging has been repeated on every media outlet and platform.  Some people believe it because it's repeated often enough.  There's lots of that Trump messaging all over social media.  When baloney is repeated often enough people will begin to believe it.  

The only people that see the border in the way you describe are conditioned to believe that by their narrow media choices.  IMV 

Did you, with your own eyes see that Republicans, at Trump's request, indefinitely stalled the bipartsan legislation that would have improved and modernized the process for legal immigration that you would like? The bill that would have increased the capacity for vetting asylum seekers? Did you see that? 

Again, I soundly disagree with your assessment.  You're going to take the driver's license from an elderly man who has been competently driving for some time and give it to the crazy guy who says that he is going to slash the tires and put sugar in the gas tank if we don't let him drive.  Oh, that guy is also old and confused in addition to having mental illness.  The last time Trump was driving, he experienced a mechanical emergency with the vehicle and he lied to all of his passengers while ignoring the advice of the mechanics and engineers for a long time.  

Yeah, you have other options than to vote for the crazy guy.  

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Crusades said:

And then he was exonerated of both in the senate.....  

Yet and here included the exonorati9n is left out and runs a little like this "Trump twice impeached president.  ...... ..........  .........." But the exonoration is not mentioned. 

Exonerated? 

No, not exonerated. Trump was impeached in the House twice and twice senate Republicans refused to convict him.  Where in the world did you come up with that idea that he was exonerated? 

 

toomuchbaloney said:

Are you disputing that Republicans do and say things on the regular which make them look bad? 

You think I'm trying to psychologically manipulate you using the truth?

I'm certain that you aren't interested in comparing the degrees of bad stuff. That wouldn't go well for the person representing the party and politicians of Trump. 

No, it's not a deflection.  It was a direct answer to your repeated question about why the audio won't be released to Trump's House Republicans.  You wouldn't accept the shorter answer that they are untrustworthy, so I expanded.  Now you're asking the question in a slightly different way, maybe expecting a different answer.  

Why don't you tell me what you think the REAL reason is instead of asking questions when you aren't interested in the answers? Maybe Republicans need some help overcoming Trump's very many flaws and unflattering traits when compared to Biden.  

They don't want the public to see the elderly man with poor memory struggling to make sense.

And, no matter the reason, in light of Hur's comments on that it's in the public's interest to hear the interview and let people form their own opinion.

toomuchbaloney said:

Are you implying that CNN is similar to Project Veritas? The NYT is like Project Veritas, in your view?  

Spinning Trump's words...LOL Yep. Spinning Trump's words.  Like the Hollywood access audio.  No manipulation needed there.  Like his poisoning the blood of the country words. Was that spun? Or the defamation of EJ Carroll... was that spin? How about when Trump lied about Covid, more spin?  

 

My point is that the manner in which CNN and NYT covers or doesn't cover stories has a much bigger influence than Veritas.

For a more simple comparison,  I'll give you Media Matters.

We could go back and forth until the cows come home, but I'll pass on that.

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Beerman said:

They don't want the public to see the elderly man with poor memory struggling to make sense.

And, no matter the reason, in light of Hur's comments on that it's in the public's interest to hear the interview and let people form their own opinion.

Yeah... that's the contention of Trump's House Republicans.  In light of Hur's report and sworn testimony and findings, this is simply more right wing political theater.  

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Beerman said:

My point is that the manner in which CNN and NYT covers or doesn't cover stories has a much bigger influence than Veritas.

For a more simple comparison,  I'll give you Media Matters.

We could go back and forth until the cows come home, but I'll pass on that.

You would have to pass because CNN and the NYT aren't comparable to Project Veritas at any level or benchmark.  Of course they have more influence than Project Veritas... so does Fox News. 

Go ahead.  Discuss Media Matters.  Show me where Media Matters manipulates video or audio to create a false narrative. 

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Crusades said:

And then he was exonerated of both in the senate.....  

Yet and here included the exonorati9n is left out and runs a little like this "Trump twice impeached president.  ...... ..........  .........." But the exonoration is not mentioned. 

You just moved the goal post but I still disagree.  It was widely reported at the time that he was acquitted.  It's also widely held belief that Trump was guilty of what he was accused of especially in the first trial, but republicans didn't think it was an impeachable offense.

However, I have seen "twice impeached Trump....." before without mentioning twice acquitted.  meh

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-impeachment-trial-02-13-2021/h_3c8fc6e437ba33f31d8df8dca6c38c20

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I have a picture of me at Pride during the Bush years in front of a gas station with prices over $4.50 a gallon here in Florida.  Way back then it was outrageous.

But anyway, 20 stations are participating in a protest of Biden's "war on energy".

I don't think it's quite fair to not mention covid and its influence on travel and low gas prices when Biden took office.  

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"From shutting down the Keystone Pipeline to banning energy leases on federal land, Joe Biden's top-down policies have stifled our country's energy resources and made even the things like a family road trip more expensive," Chougule said in a statement. "This week, we are spotlighting what gas prices could be with policies that unleash our country's energy potential."

What's interesting is right under that paragraph is a link to a story about gas prices dropping.

"Prices at the pump dropped four cents this week due to low oil costs".

Here's an alternative story from December of last year.  I'm not sure how to reconcile Biden's "war on energy" with record setting oil production.  *shrugs*

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Record-shattering US production is helping to offset aggressive supply cuts meant to support high prices by OPEC+, mainly Saudi Arabia and Russia. Other non-OPEC oil producers including Canada and Brazil are also pumping more oil than ever before. (Brazil is set to join OPEC+ next year.)

The strength of US output has caught experts off guard. Goldman Sachs analysts on Sunday cut their forecast for oil prices next year. The bank said the "key reason" behind the lowered forecast is the abundance of US supply.

Global demand for crude oil is set to hit a record in 2024 – but it will "easily be met" by the growth in supply, according to S&P's projections.

Gas prices near $3

All of this has helped to keep oil prices relatively in check. After flirting with $100 a barrel earlier this year, crude has since tumbled back to the $70 to $75 range.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/19/business/us-production-oil-reserves-crude/index.html#:~:text=Last month%2C weekly US oil,sent output and prices crashing.

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Yup, gas prices are down and retailers are lowering prices. This doesn't fit the Republican narrative very well. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/target-price-cuts-food-cost-stores/

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