The abortion law builds on legislation passed in 2010 that represented a major shift for a traditionally Catholic country, transforming Spain into one of the most progressive countries in Europe on reproductive rights. Spain's constitutional court last week rejected a challenge by the right-wing Popular Party against allowing abortions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.
The debate will be heated in Spain, I imagine, as the conservative opposition pushes back. My daughter had horrible menstrual pain during her adolescence and young adulthood. I'm certain that she would have benefitted from that time.
What your saying Republicans would do with the audio isn't really Veritas MO. I had to Google 2000 Mules to refresh my memory on them, so you may be overestimating their influence.
So, you go on and on about the bad things Republicans do, and then say "I never said Democrats don't do those things."
That means your comments on Republicans are hypocritical, or you're gaslighting.
I agree, that's a stretch. My take was that both sides try to make the other side look bad, but the extreme right wing groups take it to another level such as Veritas and 2000 Mules.
There are plenty of left wing media groups that I don't agree with their tactics, like Occupy Democrats for example will make a meme about something and take it out of context and make a stretch. I think too there are people that make up stuff and attribute it to a politician when a simple Google search will unveil the truth.
I will agree the 2000 Mules crashed and burned and was debunked, but Wikipedia did say it grossed 10 million dollars in streaming, so it paid off for the conspiracy theorist in some way. He apparently was frustrated that Newsmax and Fox News didn't promote it more. I think he thought it would be a sensation with it's (false) revelations. Anyway, I think the point was asking for a liberal equivalent not that it was influential.
I agree, that's a stretch. My take was that both sides try to make the other side look bad, but the extreme right wing groups take it to another level such as Veritas and 2000 Mules.
There are plenty of left wing media groups that I don't agree with their tactics, like Occupy Democrats for example will make a meme about something and take it out of context and make a stretch. I think too there are people that make up stuff and attribute it to a politician when a simple Google search will unveil the truth.
I will agree the 2000 Mules crashed and burned and was debunked, but Wikipedia did say it grossed 10 million dollars in streaming, so it paid off for the conspiracy theorist in some way. He apparently was frustrated that Newsmax and Fox News didn't promote it more. I think he thought it would be a sensation with it's (false)
No, its not a stretch, imo. And, even when the poster admits Democrats try to make Republicans look bad, he adds because Republicans do so much to make themselves to look bad.
Gaslighting.
Anyway, I'm not too interested in discussing the degrees of bad stuff political groups or what liberal and conservative media do to the other side. In the context of our discussion, it was deflection. Veritas came into late.
Do you believe the real reason the WH is invoking executive privilege to keep the Biden interview tapes from being released is that they are afraid of selective editing and out of context political memes? And, even if that is the reason, is that a legitimate excuse to not let the public hear or see them?
As for Project Veritas ... I think that closing ACORN and having their lies still being used to attack Planned Parenthood is pretty influential.
I believe that if deepfakes were technically possible when they were operating they would definitely have used them. Deceptive editing was most certainly their MO.
My recollection was everything they used was their own footage. Not audio and video everyone else had.
Show me the liberal equivalent to Project Veritas if you want to suggest that the two political parties are the same. Show me the liberal equivalent to 2000 Mules.
C'mon man.
Don't need a Veritas. Liberals have CNN, NYT, and the like selectively covering or not covering news stories and spinning Trump's words.
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What your saying Republicans would do with the audio isn't really Veritas MO. I had to Google 2000 Mules to refresh my memory on them, so you may be overestimating their influence.
So, you go on and on about the bad things Republicans do, and then say "I never said Democrats don't do those things."
That means your comments on Republicans are hypocritical, or you're gaslighting.
Are you saying that manipulation of audio/video data isn't the MO of Project Veritas? I think you should check again because they are famous for manipulating content to create a right wing narrative. That's exactly what the GOP will do with the Hur audio. It's nice that you don't run across fellow Trump supporters who don't cite 2000 Mules as evidence that Biden stole the 2020 election. Why do you suppose so many conservatives believe that drivel about a stolen election if not for propaganda efforts like 2000 Miles and the litany of lies from conservative pundits and politicians?
Maybe you can't distinguish between publishing embarrassing or inconvenient truths about your opponent from manipulating audio or video to create a false narrative. Is that the issue here? Or can you point to the left wing equivalent of the fake audio of Pelosi or the manipulated videos of Biden. Can you compare the Democrat equivalent to the Hunter Biden Congressional investigation to diminish hide father or the use of Bengazi to damage Clinton's campaign?
When you can't and don't come up with a coherent comparison in response to my question, should I assume you are trying to gaslight me or are you just looking at the issue through Trump colored glasses?
Don't forget Palestine. He's getting widespread condemnation about US policy there. Oh wait, the proprapghanda is that it's not "pro-Palestine" it's "antisemitic protests".
Obviously there are dumpster fires all over the place and the Biden administration has been a mess. In other areas that liberals care about, like abortion, human rights, loan forgiveness, etc. he's been deemed competent.
I don't know about the person you asked the question but I personally will be bitterly disappointed should Trump win. If Trump wins the election, I will accept the results, unlike what happened when he lost and what will happen should he lose again.
This is a reasonable position to take. A other member has decided I'm a far right, cult "sycophant " probable Nazi MAGA Trump lover a supporter of rape and various extremist groups.... I am not and fell prey to the inflammatory "MAGA " propaganda technique used by far left ideologies. Which turned me away from the democratic party because the actual democrats that use to be reasonable fail to call out these extremist.
I don't love Trump. He would not be my first choice. I don't hate Biden. However I genuinely believe he is in cognitive decline and the people close to him exploit this to gain power. It's really sad. And unfortunately sometimes no matter how sad, we need to at a certain point we have to revoke grandpa's drivers licence because allowing grandpa to drive is irresponsible and can be unsafe for grandpa and other people. (Drivers license is a metaphor for the presidency, if not obvious).
I think many Americans see the difference in their finances and do think that some of the cases against Trump are politically motivated. They see the border and the Biden administration has allowed a vulgar amount of un vetted "migrants" into the country. They see with their own eyes that many of these people don't quite fit the people who need asylum. Where as many Americans including myself think actual migrants, families should be allowed a chance of citizenship. However with our own eyes see this is not happening.
If the vote came down to "nicer man" I would vote Biden. Unfortunately just as the drivers license, I cannot overlook the safety and risk by giving Biden the presidency again. He's had a 4 year "drivers licence test" he failed.
I'm not really sure what you're saying. But the point is Republicans make it very easy to criticize them such as not believing in a legitimate election. Democrats make it easy too. What's the "demented joke"? It's going over my head. LOL
Sure. However the other member made a point that the only reason there is so much political tactics of defaming the other party is because Republicans give so much opportunity. Suggesting that if Republicans didn't misbehave so badly, the democrats would not engage in cheap political tactics...
I'm not sure believing or not believing the election was legitimate is a crime or prohibited in the constitution.
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Beerman said:
No, its not a stretch, imo. And, even when the poster admits Democrats try to make Republicans look bad, he adds because Republicans do so much to make themselves to look bad.
Gaslighting.
Anyway, I'm not too interested in discussing the degrees of bad stuff political groups or what liberal and conservative media do to the other side. In the context of our discussion, it was deflection. Veritas came into late.
Do you believe the real reason the WH is invoking executive privilege to keep the Biden interview tapes from being released is that they are afraid of selective editing and out of context political memes? And, even if that is the reason, is that a legitimate excuse to not let the public hear or see them?
Are you disputing that Republicans do and say things on the regular which make them look bad?
You think I'm trying to psychologically manipulate you using the truth?
I'm certain that you aren't interested in comparing the degrees of bad stuff. That wouldn't go well for the person representing the party and politicians of Trump.
No, it's not a deflection. It was a direct answer to your repeated question about why the audio won't be released to Trump's House Republicans. You wouldn't accept the shorter answer that they are untrustworthy, so I expanded. Now you're asking the question in a slightly different way, maybe expecting a different answer.
Why don't you tell me what you think the REAL reason is instead of asking questions when you aren't interested in the answers? Maybe Republicans need some help overcoming Trump's very many flaws and unflattering traits when compared to Biden.
What your saying Republicans would do with the audio isn't really Veritas MO. I had to Google 2000 Mules to refresh my memory on them, so you may be overestimating their influence.
So, you go on and on about the bad things Republicans do, and then say "I never said Democrats don't do those things."
That means your comments on Republicans are hypocritical, or you're gaslighting.
Absolutely. Well said.
I mean image suggesting going on and on about the bad things Republicans do is the only reason to go on and on.
Suggesting if Republicans were not so bad, there would be no attempts to defame them. LOL
Are you disputing that Republicans do and say things on the regular which make them look bad?
You think I'm trying to psychologically manipulate you using the truth?
I'm certain that you aren't interested in comparing the degrees of bad stuff. That wouldn't go well for the person representing the party and politicians of Trump.
No, it's not a deflection. It was a direct answer to your repeated question about why the audio won't be released to Trump's House Republicans. You wouldn't accept the shorter answer that they are untrustworthy, so I expanded. Now you're asking the question in a slightly different way, maybe expecting a different answer.
Why don't you tell me what you think the REAL reason is instead of asking questions when you aren't interested in the answers? Maybe Republicans need some help overcoming Trump's very many flaws and unflattering traits when compared to Biden.
Are you suggesting that democrats don't do or say things that make them look bad? LOL
And the only reason you go on and on is because Republicans are so bad and if they were not you wouldn't have to/would not defame them?? Hahaha 😆
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I agree, that's a stretch. My take was that both sides try to make the other side look bad, but the extreme right wing groups take it to another level such as Veritas and 2000 Mules.
There are plenty of left wing media groups that I don't agree with their tactics, like Occupy Democrats for example will make a meme about something and take it out of context and make a stretch. I think too there are people that make up stuff and attribute it to a politician when a simple Google search will unveil the truth.
I will agree the 2000 Mules crashed and burned and was debunked, but Wikipedia did say it grossed 10 million dollars in streaming, so it paid off for the conspiracy theorist in some way. He apparently was frustrated that Newsmax and Fox News didn't promote it more. I think he thought it would be a sensation with it's (false) revelations. Anyway, I think the point was asking for a liberal equivalent not that it was influential.