I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can. My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.
He's not going away.
Haberman's book is out based on interviews. I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting. Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with. LOL
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“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”
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Well, after the VP candidate Vance last night said 2020 election was a "peaceful transfer of power" refused to say if Trump lost the 2020 election , " I'm focused on the future". Jack Smith DOJ 's 165 page report: Governments Motion for Immunity Determination released today, outlines clear evidence chapter and verse conversations that Trump as candidate was responsible for January 6th and attempts to prevent Biden becoming president.
Throughout the document, Smith argues that the actions Trump took to overturn the election were in his private capacity, as a candidate, rather than in his official capacity, as president. Many facts previously unknown revealed beyond Congressional Hearings. Off to read details.
Special counsel Jack Smith has outlined new details of former President Donald Trump and his allies' sweeping and "increasingly desperate" efforts to overturn his 2020 election loss, in a blockbuster court filing Wednesday aimed at defending Smith's prosecution of Trump following the Supreme Court's July immunity ruling.
"When the defendant lost the 2020 presidential election, he resorted to crimes to try to stay in office," the filing said. "With private co-conspirators, the defendant launched a series of increasingly desperate plans to overturn the legitimate election results in seven states that he had lost."
"The defendant also knew that he had only one last hope to prevent Biden's certification as President: the large and angry crowd standing in front of him. So for more than an hour, the defendant delivered a speech designed to inflame his supporters and motivate them to march to the Capitol," Smith wrote.
The lengthy filing -- which includes an 80-page summary of the evidence gathered by investigators -- outlines multiple instances in which Trump allegedly heard from advisers who disproved his allegations, yet continued to spread his claims of outcome-determinative voter fraud, prosecutors said.
The first section lays out the case prosecutors said they would attempt to prove at trial, including a summary of evidence;
the second section gives US District Judge Tanya Chutkan a roadmap for how to assess which action are official – and therefore potentially covered by immunity – and which are not;
the third section walks through how the principles should apply in Trump's case;
the fourth is a brief conclusion that asks Chutkan to rule that the actions described are not protected by immunity and that Trump "is subject to trial on the superseding indictment.”
...When the defendant lost the 2020 presidential election, he resorted to crimes to try to stay in office. With private co-conspirators, the defendant launched a series of increasingly desperate plans to overturn the legitimate election results in seven states that he had lost—Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin (the "targeted states”). His efforts included lying to state officials in order to induce them to ignore true vote counts; manufacturing fraudulent electoral votes in the targeted states; attempting to enlist Vice President Michael R. Pence, in his role as President of the Senate, to obstruct Congress's certification of the election by using the defendant's fraudulent electoral votes; and when all else had failed, on January 6, 2021, directing an angry crowd of supporters to the United States Capitol to obstruct the congressional certification. The throughline of these efforts was deceit: the defendant's and co-conspirators' knowingly false claims of election fraud. They used these lies in furtherance of three conspiracies: 1) a conspiracy to interfere with the federal government function by which the nation collects and counts election results, which is set forth in the Constitution and the Electoral Count Act(ECA); 2) a conspiracy to obstruct the official proceeding in which Congress certifies the legitimate results of the presidential election; 3) a conspirancy against the rights of millions of Americans to vote and have their vote counted.
Well, after the VP candidate Vance last night said 2020 election was a "peaceful transfer of power" refused to say if refuses to say Trump lost in 2020 election , " I'm focused on the future". Jack Smith DOJ 's 165 page report: Governments Motion for Immunity Determination released today, outlines clear evidence chapter and verse conversations that Trump as candidate was responsible for January 6th and attempts to prevent Biden becoming president.
Throughout the document, Smith argues that the actions Trump took to overturn the election were in his private capacity, as a candidate, rather than in his official capacity, as president. Many facts previously unknown revealed beyond Congressional Hearings. Off to read details.
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Crusades said:
Was there an armed standoff on Jan.20th?
And Walz refused to answer a question regarding late term abortion. Citing the bot response of "a woman's decision ".
So back at square 1
That's funny. After all of this time you still don't know that Trump didn't participate in a peaceful transfer of power and you think that government should make decisions for women.
...In announcing his return, the former president and current Republican nominee said he planned to "celebrate a unifying vision for America's future in an event like the world has never seen before.”...
Police and emergency officials have faced questions from investigators looking into the shootings from the state police, FBI and Congress. The county government has fielded some 300 open records requests, five times what it normally gets in a year. Many are bracing for litigation that could extend for years.
"I'm not going to lie — it's a burden on all of us,” said Butler Emergency Services Director Steve Bicehouse. "It wears on you. And it's been a trying time the last several months.”...
County Commissioner Kevin Boozel, the only Democrat holding countywide elected office in Butler, said what happened two months ago has some concerned about Saturday's rally. The previous security failure is the major issue, but authorities at the July event also contended with extreme heat and humidity that kept emergency responders busy treating people in distress even before the shooting. ...
Meanwhile, the Butler Historical Society has put on hold until Spring, at least, its plans to collect local residents' stories about the shooting. The organization is looking into how it would keep the stories sealed for 75 years, as had been the plan.
...Geyer said she expects Butlerites will find more ways to pay tribute to the victims.
"It was a tragic day and nobody wishes it happened or occurred in their county,” Geyer said. "I believe that the people who live and work here are resilient people. We're going to move forward.”
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In an interview on July 19, 2020, when asked repeatedly if he would accept the results
of the election, the defendant said he would "have to see" and "it depends.”5
On July 30, despite having voted by mail himself earlier that year, the defendant
suggested that widespread mail-in voting provided cause for delaying the election,
tweeting, "With Universal Mail-In Voting (not Absentee Voting, which is good), 2020
will be the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election in history. It will be a
great embarrassment to the USA. Delay the Election until people can properly, securely
and safely vote??”6
In an interview on August 2, the defendant claimed, without any basis, that “[t]here is
no way you can go through a mail-in vote without massive cheating.”7
At a campaign event in Wisconsin on August 17, the defendant told his supporters,
“[t]he only way we're going to lose this election is if the election is rigged, remember
that. It's the only way we're going to lose this election, so we have to be very careful.”8
In his acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention on August 24, the
defendant said that “[t]he only way they can take this election away from us is if this is
a rigged election.”9
On October 27, during remarks regarding his campaign, the defendant said, "t would
be very, very proper and very nice if a winner were declared on November 3rd, instead
of counting ballots for two weeks, which is totally inappropriate, and I don't believe
that that's by our laws. I don't believe that. So we'll see what happens.”10 The
defendant said this despite—or perhaps because—his private advisors had informed
him that it was unlikely that the winner of the election would be declared on
November 3.
That's from page 6 of the Smith filing that Trump labels as election interference.
It's interesting to note that Trump is playing the same song again this election cycle. He's already taking about fraud and blaming his potential loss on Jews. What comes next?
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The special counsel claimed Trump "was on notice that there was no evidence of widespread election fraud in Arizona within a week of the election" and claimed Trump also "had early notice that his claims of election fraud in Georgia were false."
By the time Trump spoke at his rally on Jan. 6, after Pence had refused to stop the certification of the election, Smith said the former president knew his "last hope" to overturn the results was "the large and angry crowd standing in front of him."
"So for more than an hour, the defendant delivered a speech designed to inflame his supports and motivate them to march to the Capitol. The defendant told the crowd many of the same lies he had been telling for months—privately and publicly, including to the officials in the targeted states—and that he knew were not true."
Former President Donald J. Trump vividly recounted how the audience at his climactic debate with Vice President Kamala Harris was on his side. Except that there was no audience. The debate was held in an empty hall. No one "went crazy,” as Mr. Trump put it, because no one was there.
Anyone can misremember, of course. But the debate had been just a week earlier and a fairly memorable moment. And it was hardly the only time Mr. Trump has seemed confused, forgetful, incoherent or disconnected from reality lately. In fact, it happens so often these days that it no longer even generates much attention.
He rambles, he repeats himself, he roams from thought to thought — some of them hard to understand, some of them unfinished, some of them factually fantastical. He voices outlandish claims that seem to be made up out of whole cloth. He digresses into bizarre tangents about golf, about sharks, about his own "beautiful" body. He relishes "a great day in Louisiana" after spending the day in Georgia. He expresses fear that North Korea is "trying to kill me"when he presumably means Iran. As late as last month, Mr. Trump was still speaking as if he were running against President Biden, five weeks after his withdrawal from the race.
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Well, after the VP candidate Vance last night said 2020 election was a "peaceful transfer of power" refused to say if Trump lost the 2020 election , " I'm focused on the future". Jack Smith DOJ 's 165 page report: Governments Motion for Immunity Determination released today, outlines clear evidence chapter and verse conversations that Trump as candidate was responsible for January 6th and attempts to prevent Biden becoming president.
Throughout the document, Smith argues that the actions Trump took to overturn the election were in his private capacity, as a candidate, rather than in his official capacity, as president. Many facts previously unknown revealed beyond Congressional Hearings. Off to read details.
ABC News 10/2/2024
Bombshell immunity filing details Trump's alleged 'increasingly desperate' bid to overturn 2020 election
CNN 10/2/24: Special counsel filing with new evidence in 2020 election subversion case against Trump I added bullets to points. Karen
READ DOJ REPORT: U.S.A vs. Donald J. Trump Governments Motion for Immunity Determination