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I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can.  My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.  

He's not going away.

Haberman's book is out based on interviews.  I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting.  Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with.  LOL

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“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2022/09/25/trump-dishes-to-his-psychiatrist-00058732

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Politico

'Just Not Right’: A GOP Governor Confronts Trump's Lies

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For Gov. Mike DeWine, the attacks on Haitians near his Ohio hometown are personal – and so is the cost of Trump's and J.D. Vance's vicious demonization of legal immigrants.

 

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NRSKarenRN said:

Tonight Senator Vance will not be at all inconvenienced by examination of his lies by the debate moderators. I imagine the questions will include this racist and dangerous language about the Haitians. Similarly, the questions may include military service clarifications.  

The American people will get a good look at the two men who would be president should their respective running mates become unable to perform the duties of the presidency.  

We should judge them on their character and their experience and their ability to lead under stress.  I don't think that Vance is qualified in any of those areas.  

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toomuchbaloney said:

I've included the letter that the article referenced.  I think that the letter outlines who is released and who is not and how those decisions are made. 

The rhetoric of the republican politicians is a different matter. They are clearly laying the blame for inadequate funding and staffing and detention capacity at the border on the Biden administration.  We all know they refused to pass legislation that could have improved all of those things and more.  

Pointing fingers at someone else doesn't change or detract from Trump's lies about immigration or the lies and spin of his sychophants.  

 

24-01143-ICEs-Signed-Response-to-Representative-Tony-Gonzales.pdf

Biden/Harris had 4 yrs to attend to the border. Completely void of Trump. Instead on day 1 Biden/Harris canceled Trump policy at the border in order to look good and satisfy far left radicals in the democrat party. They cared nothing for the legal immigrants, US citizens and/or the legitimate people needing to take refuge in the US. It was all about ending anything Trump. Even if these policies were good for the country and migrants. 

The bill was designed to fail. It was an extention to keep the already illegal immigrants in the US and prevent a little more from coming in. And a b9nus for foriengn war. If passed. 

It was designed to make Republicans refuse it so they could campaine on the border having come to the realization their lies were no longer being accepted by the American people. Mission accomplished...... kind of. 

What did the non border czar/address immigration issues from South America find out? Did she address any of these issues? 

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toomuchbaloney said:

Are you kidding?  What's really interesting is that you are trying so very hard to pretend that right wing extremism isn't really a threat in this country when it's a threat across the globe.  

You've been very preoccupied with the notion that the failed assassins were leftists, which, ironically is a made up contention that isn't supported by the known evidence surrounding those angry white men with guns.  That's very inconvenient as you claim others are making things up.  

Why don't you do a little bit of reading about right and left wing extremism before you try gas lighting the thread on the topic?  After you do, you might be able to answer your own basic questions about the categorization or analysis of right wing extremist groups. 

Here's a resource from The Center for Strategic and International Studies that can get you started.  This piece was authored during Trump's administration.  

 

It's interesting democrats don't care about " young blk men" being killed enmass by gange violence. I imagine this is inconvenient to democrats. Perhaps they only care when white children are gunned down? 

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Chicago shootings: At least 31 shot, 5 fatally, in Labor Day weekend gun violence, police say


 

https://abc7chicago.com/live-updates/chicago-shootings-weekend-gun-violence-city-police-say-live-news-updates/15252205/

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Crusades said:

It's interesting democrats don't care about " young blk men" being killed enmass by gange violence. I imagine this is inconvenient to democrats. Perhaps they only care when white children are gunned down? 

https://abc7chicago.com/live-updates/chicago-shootings-weekend-gun-violence-city-police-say-live-news-updates/15252205/

Another strawman argument, this time hidden in a deflection.  All because you simply cannot acknowledge the reality of right wing extremism and the terrorism they engage in.  That's a weirdly weak ability to engage in thoughtful discussion. 

  

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Rudy Giuliani's Daughter Backs Harris in Dire Warning on Trump

Vanity Fair:

Rudy Giuliani's Daughter: Trump Took My Dad From Me. Please Don't Let Him Take Our Country Too

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...I  spent a lot of my life wishing my father had less power. But I never wanted it to happen like this. And selfishly, the deeper my dad gets stuck in the quicksand of his problems, the more fleeting our opportunities to connect as father and daughter become,....After months of feeling the type of sorrow that comes from the death of a loved one, it dawned on me that I've been grieving the loss of my dad to Trump. I cannot bear to lose our country to him too"...

 

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toomuchbaloney said:

Another strawman argument, this time hidden in a deflection.  All because you simply cannot acknowledge the reality of right wing extremism and the terrorism they engage in.  That's a weirdly weak ability to engage in thoughtful discussion. 

  

A straw man? At least 10 people die from gun violence in Chicago every weekend. 

It's a shame democrats do not give these victims the same attention given to the victims of school shootings.  

Truth is, they don't care about either. Only care when it fit their narrative and ideology. Convenient vustims vs inconvenient victims.  

It's a shame that democrats do not give the people in Chicago the attention that school shootings receive. 

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NRSKarenRN said:

Rudy Giuliani's Daughter Backs Harris in Dire Warning on Trump

Vanity Fair:

Rudy Giuliani's Daughter: Trump Took My Dad From Me. Please Don't Let Him Take Our Country Too

 

That's quite a powerful essay.  

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Crusades said:

Biden/Harris had 4 yrs to attend to the border. Completely void of Trump. Instead on day 1 Biden/Harris canceled Trump policy at the border in order to look good and satisfy far left radicals in the democrat party. They cared nothing for the legal immigrants, US citizens and/or the legitimate people needing to take refuge in the US. It was all about ending anything Trump. Even if these policies were good for the country and migrants. 

The bill was designed to fail. It was an extention to keep the already illegal immigrants in the US and prevent a little more from coming in. And a b9nus for foriengn war. If passed. 

It was designed to make Republicans refuse it so they could campaine on the border having come to the realization their lies were no longer being accepted by the American people. Mission accomplished...... kind of. 

What did the non border czar/address immigration issues from South America find out? Did she address any of these issues? 

Trump had 4 years to fix the border.  It's not fixed.  He had all 3 branches of government to put the perfect conservative fix on it but only passed a tax break for the wealthy.  He didn't build huge expanses of a border wall and Mexico didn't pay for it.  Trump instituted a cruel policy which intentionally separated even small children and infants from their parents and then he lost hundreds of them.  

You still haven't explained exactly why Senator Lankford would spend all of that time and money and energy negotiating sweeping border and immigration reform and then design it to fail.  Why would that conservative republican Senator spend all of that time to publish and promote a bill that he wanted Republicans to refuse to back?  

The big lie exposed to the American people is that republicans don't really care about immigration law and border security.  Republicans complain and complain about the border but they refuse to take any action because it is so lucrative for them to campaign on a broken border.  

I find it kind of weird that you are asking what Harris did relative to immigration in a Trump thread when there were articles cited and discussion about what she did in another thread.  Is there some purpose in asking and answering those kind of questions over and over again? 

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We ignore the expert warnings about Trump's particular mental illness at our own peril and it puts the health of our republic at risk.  

https://www.c-span.org/video/?458919-1/the-dangerous-case-donald-trump

These folks have had another another 4 years to observe Trump's increasingly abnormal behavior.

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Crusades said:

A straw man? At least 10 people die from gun violence in Chicago every weekend. 

It's a shame democrats do not give these victims the same attention given to the victims of school shootings.  

Truth is, they don't care about either. Only care when it fit their narrative and ideology. Convenient vustims vs inconvenient victims.  

It's a shame that democrats do not give the people in Chicago the attention that school shootings receive. 

Yep. A strawman argument as a portion of a deflection away from your inability to discuss the threat of right wing extremists and the ways they terrorize Americans.  

It's a classic example. 

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toomuchbaloney said:

Yep. A strawman argument as a portion of a deflection away from your inability to discuss the threat of right wing extremists and the ways they terrorize Americans.  

It's a classic example. 

This is a perfect example I agree. 

I have provided several examples of left wing terrorism in which you completed ignored and even rationalized. 

It's Justice Kavanaugh's fault a far left radical plotted to kill him outside of his house. 

It was 6/9 Justices fault that are far left radical made 1000's of threats because they make judgments that some people don't like. 

Not only was it Trump's fault but you attempted to minimize the attempted assination by repeating the left propagandists that it wasn't a bullet, it was a glass shard the injured Trump's ear. Completely disregarding the innocent man that day died. 

It's the Republicans fault that a crazed gun man opened fire on them during a baseball game. 

These are only few of the examples that you have ignored and deflected from. Which suggest that no tragedy of victim is worth your thought unless of course it's "right wing terrorism". 

You literally believe that the left isn't capable of violence. LOL

Which means you really do not care about any. 

Deflect, projection and fallacy. 

Perhaps you can provide examples of democrats getting almost assassinated twice on 9 weeks. Or a Democrat example of getting shot at while playing baseball.  Or how about threats against the 3/9 Justices having threats against their life? 

Or a Biden/Harris voter killed at a rally? 

 

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