I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can. My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.
He's not going away.
Haberman's book is out based on interviews. I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting. Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with. LOL
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“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”
I did, indeed, suggest that the very sloppy work of Trump's personal detail is possibly a consequence of Trump's in influence upon those agents.
Is it emotional for you to discuss the possibility that a mentally ill but influential liar and conman influenced some people in undesirable ways? Why do you think that it's ridiculous to consider that Trump himself might influence security decisions or protocols when we have sworn testimony that Trump had previously influenced SS behavior, or at least tried to?
I understand that you have some sort of grandiose perception of yourself to be able to diagnosis mental illness and dementia without the credentials to do so and without any assessment.
My questions is, does this transend onto knowing the emotional state of anonymous people you converse with online? It's weird you would assume I'm "emotional " over something.
Trump did not tell the SS to not post a person on the roof where the radicalized try hard assassin took his shot. Nor dis he tell the SS to not secure the perimeter of the golf course where the far left radical terrorist lay in wait.
So please specify what it was in your opinion that Trump did to cause the multiple failures of multiple departments?
Why don't you just come out and say it? You feel Trump deserved to have his life taken by a far left radical terrorist? That it is his fault these people decided to commit a crime.
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Crusades said:
I understand that you have some sort of grandiose perception of yourself to be able to diagnosis mental illness and dementia without the credentials to do so and without any assessment.
My questions is, does this transend onto knowing the emotional state of anonymous people you converse with online? It's weird you would assume I'm "emotional " over something.
Trump did not tell the SS to not post a person on the roof where the radicalized try hard assassin took his shot. Nor dis he tell the SS to not secure the perimeter of the golf course where the far left radical terrorist lay in wait.
So please specify what it was in your opinion that Trump did to cause the multiple failures of multiple departments?
Why don't you just come out and say it? You feel Trump deserved to have his life taken by a far left radical terrorist? That it is his fault these people decided to commit a crime.
You understand something that you imagine to be true about me? Good for you.
How do you know what Trump told the SS? Regardless, that strawman speculation isn't going to work. I didn't imply or say that Trump directed or told the SS to do or not do anything. What word did I use instead? I'll help. I used the word influenced. Here's a workable definition for you.
There you go again, suggesting that violence just might be justifiable or appropriate and trying to project that onto me.
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Beerman said:
It's interesting that she is unable to articulate any of it, isn't it?
In your opinion she is unable. I disagree. Harris isn't the candidate who has difficulty articulating a policy position, that's her opponent. Were you impressed with Trump's answer about child care costs, for instance? Remind me, does Trump plan to address child care costs with drilling or with tariffs, I get the details confused.
You understand something that you imagine to be true about me? Good for you.
How do you know what Trump told the SS? Regardless, that strawman speculation isn't going to work. I didn't imply or say that Trump directed or told the SS to do or not do anything. What word did I use instead? I'll help. I used the word influenced. Here's a workable definition for you.
There you go again, suggesting that violence just might be justifiable or appropriate and trying to project that onto me.
You imagine I'm "emotional " ,"cult victim" so I thought it was permitted?
Again, you have demonstrated that you feel you have some knowledge and facts that the rest of us do not. And a grandiose ability to diagnos. So what did Trump do in your opinion that motivated 2 radicals, one confirmed far left radical to try and assassinate him? Or "influenced" the SS to not meet their practice standard?
Yes. You made it clear that you wouldn't want Hitler to be taken out even though it could have saved millions of lives. How'd you feel when the Obama admin. assassinated Osama Bin Laden? Was that justified violence?
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Crusades said:
You imagine I'm "emotional " ,"cult victim" so I thought it was permitted?
Again, you have demonstrated that you feel you have some knowledge and facts that the rest of us do not. And a grandiose ability to diagnos. So what did Trump do in your opinion that motivated 2 radicals, one confirmed far left radical to try and assassinate him? Or "influenced" the SS to not meet their practice standard?
Yes. You made it clear that you wouldn't want Hitler to be taken out even though it could have saved millions of lives. How'd you feel when the Obama admin. assassinated Osama Bin Laden? Was that justified violence?
It's weird that you don't realize that written words can convey or evoke emotion.
I didn't say Trump motivated the Secret Service. I said he may have negatively influenced them and that may be why their security processes were so deeply flawed. Don't you think their security was chaotic, and lazy with many cut corners, terrible communication and sloppy follow up?
Did you watch the congressional hearing on the SS failures today?
I've been clear about my preference for nonviolence. You persist in wanting to talk about violence in this thread about Trump. It seems that you may see violence as necessary in some circumstances.
I would have preferred that Bin Laden had stood trial so that the American people had clear understanding of how he was funded and who backed his efforts before he was incarcerated. Some things just aren't possible.
It's weird that you don't realize that written words can convey or evoke emotion.
I didn't say Trump motivated the Secret Service. I said he may have negatively influenced them and that may be why their security processes were so deeply flawed. Don't you think their security was chaotic, and lazy with many cut corners, terrible communication and sloppy follow up?
Did you watch the congressional hearing on the SS failures today?
I've been clear about my preference for nonviolence. You persist in wanting to talk about violence in this thread about Trump. It seems that you may see violence as necessary in some circumstances.
I would have preferred that Bin Laden had stood trial so that the American people had clear understanding of how he was funded and who backed his efforts before he was incarcerated. Some things just aren't possible.
Do you not consider the SS to be composed of highly trained professionals that are expected to perform their duty regardless of their personal feelings or values? Regardless of who they're assigned to protect? Like we as nurses do?
Would you have changed your practice if you felt that one of your patients was a rude liar with mental illness? Depending on how they "negativity influenced" you ? Would your standard of care change? And that would be the fault of your patient?
Nope. This is the weakest "it's Trump's fault" you have proposed so far.
You should take this opportunity to provide examples of Trump's behaviors of your speculative diagnosis of mental illness.
What did he lie about exactly? That he had the best border? I provided stats that showed he had the lowest border crossing from 1990 to 2020 And Biden /Harris had the most.
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Crusades said:
You should take this opportunity to provide examples of Trump's behaviors of your speculative diagnosis of mental illness.
What did he lie about exactly? That he had the best border? I provided stats that showed he had the lowest border crossing from 1990 to 2020 And Biden /Harris had the most.
That's it? You are unable to discern his lies from actual truth or facts?
But is it lying if he actually believes the offal that he spews? I mean, in his mind, he may actually believe that his wall was nearly done. He may actually believe Harris was the border czar? He really thinks crime is massively up? Local law enforcement is going to round up undocumented immigrants, because "they know their name and serial number"?
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It's interesting that she is unable to articulate any of it, isn't it?