I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can. My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.
He's not going away.
Haberman's book is out based on interviews. I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting. Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with. LOL
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“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”
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Crusades said:
Do you not consider the SS to be composed of highly trained professionals that are expected to perform their duty regardless of their personal feelings or values? Regardless of who they're assigned to protect? Like we as nurses do?
Would you have changed your practice if you felt that one of your patients was a rude liar with mental illness? Depending on how they "negativity influenced" you ? Would your standard of care change? And that would be the fault of your patient?
Nope. This is the weakest "it's Trump's fault" you have proposed so far.
Your first question is kind of silly. Of course I consider the Secret Service to be a professional organization with highly trained staff. That's why I'm disappointed in their very substandard performance in the recent past. As I've said before, this isn't their first very public failure or event of concern.
Your question about mentally ill people adversely influencing others (like nurses) in their daily lives is naive. This phenomenon in healthcare is pretty well studied and documented. There are communication strategies designed to help health professionals avoid falling victim to the manipulation of such patients and family members. It's a really big deal in correctional facilities, you know that, right?
Your reading comprehension is pretty weak when you can't discern the difference between a "might have" speculation about influence and a statement of fact.
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nursej22 said:
But is it lying if he actually believes the offal that he spews? I mean, in his mind, he may actually believe that his wall was nearly done. He may actually believe Harris was the border czar? He really thinks crime is massively up? Local law enforcement is going to round up undocumented immigrants, because "they know their name and serial number"?
That's a good question. To some degree Trump likely actually believes some of the stuff he says because he doesn't know any better. He's reported to be a lazy intellect who doesn't read much but watches lots of TV and takes the advice and counsel of some pretty shady people. He definitely prefers to fall back on claims of ignorance about current events rather than making public comments about things like his preferred candidate in NC. My guess is that he believes that he's the best this or that, or the smartest or the best looking person in the room, that would be consistent with his NPD.
We definitely know that he's lying about other things. He knows he's lying about election security and his 2020 loss, for instance.
You should take this opportunity to provide examples of Trump's behaviors of your speculative diagnosis of mental illness.
What did he lie about exactly? That he had the best border? I provided stats that showed he had the lowest border crossing from 1990 to 2020 And Biden /Harris had the most.
Sometimes posts appear with an opinion of a long video that the poster knows no one will watch but many will accept the opinion without asking any questions.
That's it? You are unable to discern his lies from actual truth or facts?
I can and did not notice any overt lies but some hyperbole in this speech. Nor any symptoms of mental illness. It appears you do. So why don't you discuss what you think are lies and symptoms of mental illness?
Your first question is kind of silly. Of course I consider the Secret Service to be a professional organization with highly trained staff. That's why I'm disappointed in their very substandard performance in the recent past. As I've said before, this isn't their first very public failure or event of concern.
Your question about mentally ill people adversely influencing others (like nurses) in their daily lives is naive. This phenomenon in healthcare is pretty well studied and documented. There are communication strategies designed to help health professionals avoid falling victim to the manipulation of such patients and family members. It's a really big deal in correctional facilities, you know that, right?
Your reading comprehension is pretty weak when you can't discern the difference between a "might have" speculation about influence and a statement of fact.
Well let's not be silly.
How do you think Trump influenced the SS agents and or agency that led to the failure of protecting their subject? 2 times in 9 months?
You said it. Explain how he "influenced " them. In your opinion.
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Crusades said:
You should take this opportunity to provide examples of Trump's behaviors of your speculative diagnosis of mental illness.
What did he lie about exactly? That he had the best border? I provided stats that showed he had the lowest border crossing from 1990 to 2020 And Biden /Harris had the most.
You should read the transcript of his pressconference. You can tell when he's not reading prepared remarks and just says what's on his mind.
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She's got no plans, got no talent, got no ability to do it.
None of that is true.
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She sent Congress a bill demanding amnesty for all illegal aliens. Every single illegal alien, even if they're criminals, even if they're murderers, even if they're drug dealers, human traffickers. She wanted amnesty for everybody. Radical left. This is a radical left person.
This is made up nonsense.
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And then she lost, and this is probably the worst statistic of them all, 325,000 children. Think of that. Three and a half years. She lost 325,000 children, and they're either dead, being sold into sex slavery, or just plain missing.
That's false. Trump's numbers are a combination of numbers and groups of minors. He is intentionally misrepresenting facts.
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And they're invading our towns. It's an invasion of our country like no country has ever had to suffer before. And this was purposeful. They did this on purpose.
This a racist trope. He's manipulating the feelings of his audience using racist tropes. The immigrants are invading us and poisoning our blood. This it's the language of fascists.
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They flooded the job market with low-wage migrants, but many cases, migrants that also have horrible criminal records — murder, drug dealing, so many different things, a lot of human traffickers, and it's mostly human traffickers in women. Last month, American-born workers lost 1.3 million jobs. This is last month. You know, when they lowered the interest rates, they weren't doing it necessarily just for political. Our economy is terrible, especially when you add inflation into it. Inflation has destroyed our middle class. It's destroyed our senior citizens.
Employment is up and so are wages. Immigrants commit fewer crimes of all type when compared to American citizens. Our economy isn't terrible. Heck, our economy is so good that Trump's devotees can afford to buy his sneakers, Bibles and $100,000 watches.
Inflation didn't destroy our Middle class, trickle down economic policy did that. Trump voters just believe all of this stuff even though it's not true.
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And all of these people coming in are horrible for the black population and the Hispanic population. They're taking the jobs of the black population at levels that they've never seen before — Hispanic also. They're suffering, and the families are suffering. They go out, they think they have a job, and they've lost a job to an illegal migrant. So we've lost 1.3 million jobs last month. Think of that. And now we've gained, out of that number, 635,000 jobs. But every single one of them was an illegal migrant.
This is baloney based in racist thinking.
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She never worked at McDonald's. It was a lie.
More lies.
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These are some of the worst criminals anywhere in the world.
That's Trump lying about immigrants in NYC.
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Caracas has become a safe and wonderful city, unlike our cities that are getting worse and worse with this horrible invasion that Kamala, in particular, because I'm no fan of Biden.
Baloney. Caracas violent crime is dropping but it's not a safe city.
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You will hear Kamala claim that the reason the border is not secure is that Congress has refused to pass her atrocious border bill. It's the worst bill you've ever seen. I
It wasn't Harris's bill, it was authored and negotiated by Senator Lankford. It wasn't the worst bill you've ever seen. There have been several pieces of legislation out of the house that would easily take that title of worst.
The man rambled on and on about immigration and the border. His speech is disjointed and disorganized. He is not mentally well.
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Crusades said:
Well let's not be silly.
How do you think Trump influenced the SS agents and or agency that led to the failure of protecting their subject? 2 times in 9 months?
You said it. Explain how he "influenced " them. In your opinion.
Trump is foolish and impulsive. He's told us himself that he relies upon his gut feelings. Trump doesn't want to close his golf courses when he plays golf because he wants the revenue and the sense of celebrity. That requires the SS to compromise their typical security protocols. We know that Trump previously asked SS to take down the magnetometers during an enormous rally when SS and police knew that some of the people outside of the magnetometers were armed. Trump is not a person who pays attention to details and it is SOP for him to say he will do something and then not ever follow up. That was some of the failure of the SS. It's easy to imagine that on a hot Pennsylvania evening in July the former president might have encouraged his SS detail to let him take the stage. Butler was the first rally to have snipers as a part of the security, apparently.
That's really just the rather obvious, low hanging fruit examples of ways that Trump might have negatively influenced that team. I wonder if you think the moral reprobate, fraud, felon and sexual abuser is a positive influence on people.
I'm not really planning on arguing about those possibilities with you. I don't really expect you to agree.
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Beerman said:
Sometimes posts appear with an opinion of a long video that the poster knows no one will watch but many will accept the opinion without asking any questions.
A form of propaganda, I suppose.
Is this a projection? I do understand that listening to a mentally ill man rant, ramble, lie and exaggerate and seem interminable but the fellow is running to be president and people should listen to what he says.
Sometimes posts appear with an opinion of a long video that the poster knows no one will watch but many will accept the opinion without asking any questions.
A form of propaganda, I suppose.
Yes!
Also there is allot of word use/choice propaganda. Like using "immigrant" without the "illegal" in front. In an attempt to cast Trump is against all immigrants.
I noticed an abundance of ad hominiem and accusations of "projection " and "deflection ". Followed by religious type repetition and a common adherence to a narrative. "Weird".
Using qualifiers like "mental illness" and "dementia" as if they were 100 % proven facts.
Why do you put so much emphasis on the "2 times in 9 months" ? Is there something special about that? Wasn't it 9 weeks?
There were two attempts on Ford's life, only 17 days apart. I don't remember him squawking about the opposing party's rhetoric.
It's a common theme in these threads to use repetative phrases.
Perhaps Ford, a Republican president opposing team didn't say "Ford needs to be put in a bullseye ", "Ford is an existential threat that needs to be eliminated" or categorized him as Hilter for 7 yrs?
Maybe that's why you didn't hear him 'squawking" about his attempted assassination attempts?
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Crusades said:
It's a common theme in these threads to use repetative phrases.
Perhaps Ford, a Republican president opposing team didn't say "Ford needs to be put in a bullseye ", "Ford is an existential threat that needs to be eliminated" or categorized him as Hilter for 7 yrs?
Maybe that's why you didn't hear him 'squawking" about his attempted assassination attempts?
Ford didn't act or talk like Hitler, there's that.
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Your first question is kind of silly. Of course I consider the Secret Service to be a professional organization with highly trained staff. That's why I'm disappointed in their very substandard performance in the recent past. As I've said before, this isn't their first very public failure or event of concern.
Your question about mentally ill people adversely influencing others (like nurses) in their daily lives is naive. This phenomenon in healthcare is pretty well studied and documented. There are communication strategies designed to help health professionals avoid falling victim to the manipulation of such patients and family members. It's a really big deal in correctional facilities, you know that, right?
Your reading comprehension is pretty weak when you can't discern the difference between a "might have" speculation about influence and a statement of fact.