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I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can.  My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.  

He's not going away.

Haberman's book is out based on interviews.  I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting.  Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with.  LOL

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“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2022/09/25/trump-dishes-to-his-psychiatrist-00058732

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Crusades said:

Nah. It doesn't bother me as much as the democratic process of the electoral college bothers you. 

How would you measure that?  If one measured that interest in a topic by simply the number of times a member mentions the topic it would be obvious that you're making things up.  

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https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/24/trump-abortion-reactions-00176276

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Donald Trump attempted to strike a new tone on the issue of abortion this week, saying he would be "great for women and their reproductive rights" — to the frustration of anti-abortion advocates.

The former president invoked the phrase in a post on Truth Social on Friday, reflecting his campaign's frenzied attempt to reset the narrative in the race against Vice President Kamala Harris and present more moderately on the issue of abortion, which has plagued Republicans electorally since Roe v. Wade was overturned in 2022.

If he just says that he's great for women the devoted fan base will believe it.  If he repeats it again and again, more people will believe it.  It's kind of like how Trump told people in September of 2020 that he had a big beautiful health plan for the country. 

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-america-first-healthcare-plan/

Or when he promised tax relief for the working class in October 2020. 

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-biggest-tax-cut-ever-2020-campaign-tweetstorm-2020-10

This is expected behavior from the pathological liar as the polling shows him struggling to stay even with his opponent. 

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Tweety said:

Before I address the above can you clarify what this means:   OMG. I was refering to the propagandists like you that are cleaver. Lool.

Judging by all the convention votes she got and the tens of thousands of people showing up at her rallies, it doesn't seem to be an issue.  

But you're not incorrect.  

Just like President Ford never got a single vote became President, this may or may not happen to her, except she will be in the general election.

Even Alabama just put her on the ballot. 

So yes, the America people still get to decide, we agree on that.

If it is improper, people better tell the Supreme Court and stop it now.  The protestors that I saw Fox Cover were the anti-abortion people and the "pro terrorist people".  No one seemed to be protested that we  the people didn't get to vote for her in the primary.  Well, I can't say no one, because there was some rambles from the left about such things, including BLM.  

These are crazy unprecedented times.   Democrats have come off some of the most exciting 30 days in politics in my lifetime (other than the day Obama won the election...twice).  Doubtful that momentum is going to sustain and the hangover is coming, but I think she sees that.  

https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/ask-expert-harris-2024-heres-what-election-and-campaign-finance-laws-say/

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/is-it-really-unlawful-to-replace-biden-on-the-democratic-ticket-election-law-experts-say-no

The highlighted comment was for baloney. I pointed out the cleaver propaganda tactic of strict adhesion to word definitions and leaving out context. Some people consider "exonerated " and "no evidence of a crime" to be the samething. Apparently Trump does as well. I guess that equals a "lie". Baloney thought I was saying Trump was cleaver.  

Yes. There is no rule that says a candidate has to be voted in. Of course democrats do not mind appointing Harris void of a democratic vote. They do not have a choice. Or a vote. So nobody is going to object because it is futile. Or perhaps they are okay with their vote not being considered as long as it isn't Trump. 

 

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Crusades said:

So nobody is going to object because it is futile. Or perhaps they are okay with their vote not being considered as long as it isn't Trump. 

 

One thing you're wrong about, people are okay with their vote not being considered as long as it's not Biden and the overwhelming majority of us really want Harris in and Biden out and that's why you're not seeing much objection.  We already had someone that wasn't Trump.

 But "nobody is going to object' is not a true statement.  BLM issued a statement demanding a primary.  And of course the chorus of republicans pointing out that she's in without a primary vote.  

But yeah 99.9% of us want Harris and it's been stunning to see, and stunning to see Republicans blindsided by it all.  Democrats have never been shy about speaking their mind about things.  Look at the people in their own party they got rid of during get #metoo movement.  Look at the number of people that are still not going to vote for anyone over Palestine.  They remain outspoken about it.

 I'm sure you're not living under a rock and have seen her ascent something akin to a Taylor Swift concert.  These are not people that are afraid to speak out against her, they are people that want her.  

The immediate endorsement by people in power in the Democrat Party shows that they support her as well.  Maybe they went with what they thought was a party unity stance and kept their mouth shut and went with Biden's request to endorse Harris , so not being a fly on the wall or mind reader, I'll never know if they were afraid to speak up.  Obviously if I were a contender and had to go to the sidelines, like Newsome it would sting a bit.  I don't know what went on behind closed doors for him to not want to be in a primary.

But you're right, the Democrats are doing what they can to get anyone but Trump.

 As I said it's been the most exciting month in politics in a long long time for me.  
Of course when the honeymoon in and reality sets in it will be a smack in the face.  LOL.

Thanks for the clarification.  I'd never heard of "cleaver propaganda".  

I know sometimes I don't like how people interpret things.  Sometimes someone makes an honest mistake and corrects themselves but it's reported by the other side that they lied.  I've talked about that before.  

 

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Tweety said:

One thing you're wrong about, people are okay with their vote not being considered as long as it's not Biden and the overwhelming majority of us really want Harris in and Biden out and that's why you're not seeing much objection.  We already had someone that wasn't Trump.

 But "nobody is going to object' is not a true statement.  BLM issued a statement demanding a primary.  And of course the chorus of republicans pointing out that she's in without a primary vote.  

But yeah 99.9% of us want Harris and it's been stunning to see, and stunning to see Republicans blindsided by it all.  Democrats have never been shy about speaking their mind about things.  Look at the people in their own party they got rid of during get #metoo movement.  Look at the number of people that are still not going to vote for anyone over Palestine.  They remain outspoken about it.

 I'm sure you're not living under a rock and have seen her ascent something akin to a Taylor Swift concert.  These are not people that are afraid to speak out against her, they are people that want her.  The immediate endorsement by people in power in the Democrat Party shows that they support her as well.  Maybe they went with what they thought was a party unity stance and kept their mouth shut and went with Biden, so not being a fly on the wall or mind reader, I'll never know if they were afraid to speak up.  Obviously if I were a contender and had to go to the sidelines, like Newsome it would sting a bit.  

But you're right, the Democrats are doing what they can to get anyone but Trump.

 As I said it's been the most exciting month in politics in a long long time for me.  
Of course when the honeymoon in and reality sets in it will be a smack in the face.  LOL.

Thanks for the clarification.  I'd never heard of "cleaver propaganda".  

I know sometimes I don't like how people interpret things.  Sometimes someone makes an honest mistake and corrects themselves but it's reported by the other side that they lied.  I've talked about that before.  

 

All fair points. It would be exciting to see how a female presidency would be like. I'm not above that. I just do not see what she could do do differently than she is now. All her points have been vague and truth is, she could do most of these things right now. Or at least provide an example of how she has managed the last 4 yrs. 

I am looking forward to a non planned non scripted questioning of her. I'm not sure if she's going to give us that. 

There's also an idea that if ypu are a POC or a woman ypu must vote for Harris. I wonder if a idea that if ypu are a white man you must vote Trump would be so easily accepted? 

I would have mentioned BLM but it's already been pointed out. 

 

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nursej22 said:

That's because we haven't had the election yet. There is no provision in the Constitution that says primary candidates must be chosen by a democratic vote. 

You had the primaries.  You are correct. There is no provisions of preventing a candidate to be appointed as a the POTUS runner without a vote. 

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Crusades said:

All fair points. It would be exciting to see how a female presidency would be like. I'm not above that. I just do not see what she could do do differently than she is now. All her points have been vague and truth is, she could do most of these things right now. Or at least provide an example of how she has managed the last 4 yrs. 

I am looking forward to a non planned non scripted questioning of her. I'm not sure if she's going to give us that. 

There's also an idea that if ypu are a POC or a woman ypu must vote for Harris. I wonder if a idea that if ypu are a white man you must vote Trump would be so easily accepted? 

I would have mentioned BLM but it's already been pointed out. 

 

Side note, I'm still having trouble with Google and cleaver propaganda.  Did you mean "clever"?  You said "cleaver" many times I'm still not wrapping my head around it.  

I agree that so far, in the very brief time she's been a candidate, there aren't a lot of policy details coming forth.  Obviously I don't think she's going to be doing things too much differently than the last four years.  Many Democrats are okay with that.  Obviously republicans won't be.  But also there hasn't been a whole lot of time for her to set an agenda.  I think we'll see more as her campaign unfolds.

I didn't know press conferences were a thing for candidates and not understanding the pressure that she holds one, but things such as Town Hall meetings, meetings with the voters or organizations like Trump with the black journalists that are unscripted should be expected.

The idea of certain groups voting a certain way isn't new.  African Americans have long been expected to be Democrats and tend to look down on others that aren't.  White evangelicals have long been expected to be Republicans.  I imagine in my aunt's Baptist Church in rural Alabama you won't see many Harris-Walz hats but will see MAGA ones.  Gay republicans have long been the bottom of the barrel in queer society and gays are expected and pressured to vote democrat.  So sure, African American women are going to be expected both by their history of being mostly Democrat and the fact there is a woman of color in the running to vote for her.  

https://www.politico.com/interactives/2024/kamala-harris-joe-biden-platforms/

I don't know about white men, but polls are suggesting more men voting for Trump.

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A new poll, conducted by the Economist and YouGov between July 21 and 23, showed that only 39 percent of men said they would vote for Harris, while 47 percent said they would vote for former President Donald Trump. The poll surveyed 1,435 registered voters and had a margin of error of 3.1 percent.

Another poll conducted by Emerson College between July 22 and 23 had a similar result, with male voters in most of the swing states opting for Trump over Harris. Trump had the biggest lead over Harris among male voters in Michigan, where he was 16 points ahead, 54 to 38. His lead in Pennsylvania was slightly smaller, with 55 percent of male voters supporting him for a 15-point advantage.

https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris-male-voters-polls-1930322

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NY Times April 27,24

Trump Turns on R.F.K. Jr. Amid Concerns He Could Attract Republican Voters

 

Fox News 8/25/24

RFK Jr blames 'censorship' for failed campaign, gives details of talks with Trump

 

Fox News 8/25/24

Kennedy family members denounce RFK Jr.'s decision to endorse Trump as a 'betrayal of values'
 

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"We believe in Harris and Walz," the statement continued. "Our brother Bobby's decision to endorse Trump [Friday] is a betrayal of the values that our father and our family hold most dear. It is a sad ending to a sad story."

The statement, signed by Kathleen Kennedy Townsend, Courtney Kennedy, Kerry Kennedy, Chris Kennedy and Rory Kennedy, was shared by Joe Kennedy III, a grandson of Robert F. Kennedy, who wrote that it was "well said."

 

What has been promised to RFK Jr?

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Tweety said:

Side note, I'm still having trouble with Google and cleaver propaganda.  Did you mean "clever"?  You said "cleaver" many times I'm still not wrapping my head around it.  

I agree that so far, in the very brief time she's been a candidate, there aren't a lot of policy details coming forth.  Obviously I don't think she's going to be doing things too much differently than the last four years.  Many Democrats are okay with that.  Obviously republicans won't be.  But also there hasn't been a whole lot of time for her to set an agenda.  I think we'll see more as her campaign unfolds.

I didn't know press conferences were a thing for candidates and not understanding the pressure that she holds one, but things such as Town Hall meetings, meetings with the voters or organizations like Trump with the black journalists that are unscripted should be expected.

The idea of certain groups voting a certain way isn't new.  African Americans have long been expected to be Democrats and tend to look down on others that aren't.  White evangelicals have long been expected to be Republicans.  I imagine in my aunt's Baptist Church in rural Alabama you won't see many Harris-Walz hats but will see MAGA ones.  Gay republicans have long been the bottom of the barrel in queer society and gays are expected and pressured to vote democrat.  So sure, African American women are going to be expected both by their history of being mostly Democrat and the fact there is a woman of color in the running to vote for her.  

https://www.politico.com/interactives/2024/kamala-harris-joe-biden-platforms/

I don't know about white men, but polls are suggesting more men voting for Trump.

https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris-male-voters-polls-1930322

Clever. As in im not clever because I cannot spell or my auto correct thinks I'm saying cleaver.  LOL 

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Crusades said:

Clever. As in im not clever because I cannot spell or my auto correct thinks I'm saying cleaver.  LOL 

LOL.  On first reading, I thought that's what you were saying, but in your clarification you said cleaver a couple of more times which had me scratching my head.  Got to love spell check.  There actually is a term in British journalism called "hatchet journalism" or "hatchet job" so I was wondering.  LOL

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Trump keeps telling the country that Harris is stupid and won't be able to speak in complete sentences in a debate against him.  I don't think that's doing to go well for the crazy old guy.  What do you think? 

Have you heard the Harris debate ads that mock Trump with the sound of chickens clucking in the background. Those ads seem to be pointed at the republican candidate himself, and not his voters.  Meanwhile, Trump still seems to be looking for an excuse to back out of the debate.  Will his fan club give him permission?  

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