I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can. My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.
He's not going away.
Haberman's book is out based on interviews. I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting. Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with. LOL
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“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”
Trump days he was exonerated both in the Mueller investigation and in Cannon's dismissal of the documents case. He's a liar. He's not clever, he's a corrupt criminal and unfit for office.
Give me a break is right. Trump is a pathological liar, he can't help himself as lying is a feature of his mental illness. Republicans have simply normalized Trump's disqualifying dishonesty.
One could definitely pick apart any politician's speech in a similar manner but one definitely wouldn't find the same level of dishonesty and spin unless that politician is George Santos. From LBJ to Nixon to Bush, we've had some presidents who were expert at using lies to manipulate people. None were as eager to lie directly to the American People as Trump was during covid, IMV.
Trump is unfit for office. Unfortunately, his mental illness itself would never allow him to step aside just like it won't allow him to admit defeat in elections. He's convinced his voters that he isn't really a pathological liar and that he's not really a bully and loser, that he's a victim of cheating and a weaponized DOJ. Trump is expert at convincing his fan base of all manner of fabricated things.
OMG. I was refering to the propagandists like you that are cleaver. Lool.
The American people will decided if he's fit or not. Won't they?
I'm not going to say he never lies. However, after reading the first 30 or so, many of these lies are opinions. They may not be proven true, but aren't proven false either.
This is what they led off with trying to show Trump is a liar: "I think our country right now is in the most dangerous position it's ever been in from an economic standpoint…”
They count when Trump says "she can't do an interview and is incompetent," as a lie, and point to the fact she has done interviews in the past. Give me a break.
And, the article itself exaggerates. Such as saying Trump often insults women of color. They say he did it 9 times in his speech. For one, he insults people of all races and gender. And, two, the nine times is the same women. By that kind if anslysis he has insulted rich white guys 1000's of times just counting Biden alone.
Most of the lie count articles on Trump over the years are garbage like this. You could pick apart almost any politicians speech in a similar manner.
Right? And it's like no politician in history has ever told a lie or exaggerated before Trump! Hahaha
He is a poor speaker and uses words incorrectly. Makes for an easy time for propagandists.
At least five U.S. Secret Service officials involved in the planning of Donald Trump's rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, on July 13, where a gunman attempted to kill the former president, have been placed on administrative duty, according to two sources familiar with the situation.
The officials are still working but not allowed to be involved in anything operational including the security planning, the sources told ABC News.
The Secret Service's Office of Professional Responsibility investigation has been intensifying, and while the investigation has focused on the failures, miscues and planning up to Butler, the probe is now focusing on a number of issues, including the number of classified threats against former President Trump by Iran and what the agency did in response security-wise regarding the new intelligence....
You can't claim they did something "right" when they have been lying about something right up to the point in which they could not any longer. The did what was "right" to retain power and it had nothing to do with virtue, morals or democracy. It's like trying to change your bet in the middle of a horse race because it's obvious your horse will loose.
I was willing to consider Harris however it's hard to know what her campaign policy is. Mostly celebrity and crowd hyping. She's been part of the current admin for 4 yrs and I'm not seeing what she will change? I know I was better off with Trump . Looks like that's where I'll take my vote. Simple as that.
Fair enough. It still doesn't sit right with me "Biden is cognitively impaired and unfit..."...and then switch out and criticize that he left. Is it the timing? Should they have ousted him sooner even though he was functioning well, would that have been acceptable? No need to answer because I don't deal with "what if's". Harris is the nominee and I like that and you don't.
You previously said over and over you were going for Trump even though he lies because he's not cognitively impaired like Biden. Now that Harris is in, you're offering more reasons to support Trump. I'm finding it hard that you were ever giving consideration to anyone but Trump.
I don't know why you're finding it hard to know what her campaign policy is. She campaigns on it nearly every day. But I suppose since her campaign is so new one might not hone in on her policies. Her strategy much like Trump's is to attack the other candidate. Yes, it's a lot of hype and rhetoric but that's campaigns and I get tired of it actually.
I've never given any consideration to Trump, no apologies there. I even said years ago to Beerman that I'd vote for Goofy before I would vote for Trump or sit it out. There were times when Biden was in I thought about not voting. Now I can vote in good conscience.
But we all have our issues. In previous posts this and last year I bemoaned not being better off that 2019 because of the insurance situation here in Florida taking a big chunk out of my disposable income and inflation. Still I've had a steady job, my income has risen and I make a decent middle income (albeit one with a high tax burden...Trump didn't help with that) , and my retirement funds are at an all time high, and life is generally good and so much much worse that I would vote for Trump.
Some of us are okay with the Biden administration and thus okay with Harris. I can appreciate that people who didn't like Biden's administrative priorities and accomplishments not wanting Harris who was part of all that. That makes sense.
Right? And it's like no politician in history has ever told a lie or exaggerated before Trump! Hahaha
He is a poor speaker and uses words incorrectly. Makes for an easy time for propagandists.
Trump takes lying to a new level above and beyond the normal politician. In my opinion.
He is a poor speaker and uses words incorrectly and this makes an easy time for people that expect professionalism, maturity and decency in a politician to criticize him.
Coming from a person that expects a politician to be cognitively intact, surely you can appreciate what I'm saying.
But yes, he's an easy target for "propagandists" I.e. the new organizations, you know the same ones that went apepoop over every Biden gaffe. Them.
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OMG. I was refering to the propagandists like you that are cleaver. Lool.
The American people will decided if he's fit or not. Won't they?
Since I'm not a propagandist your comment was nonsense.
The American people already decided that Trump shouldn't be president. Trump lost the popular vote twice. Most voters don't want him or his crazy ideas in the White House. He hasn't done anything to offset his incompetent failure of leadership during a pandemic or his lies about the election that he tried to overturn.
Since I'm not a propagandist your comment was nonsense.
The American people already decided that Trump shouldn't be president. Trump lost the popular vote twice. Most voters don't want him or his crazy ideas in the White House. He hasn't done anything to offset his incompetent failure of leadership during a pandemic or his lies about the election that he tried to overturn.
Yes. And kamala Harris has recieved exactly ZERO votes from We the People as the 2025 presidential candidate.
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Crusades said:
Yes. And kamala Harris has recieved exactly ZERO votes from We the People as the 2025 presidential candidate.
The democratic nomination process seems to have bothered you more than it bothered democrats. Oh well. Harris is the nominee and she and her VP pick seem to be generating quite a bit of enthusiasm from the democratic voting base while she runs against the crazy fellow who hasn't ever won a popular vote. She sure does seem to know how to craft a message that might appeal to moderate or independent voters while Trump is stuck in generalized right wing grievance.
Yes. And kamala Harris has recieved exactly ZERO votes from We the People as the 2025 presidential candidate.
That's because we haven't had the election yet. There is no provision in the Constitution that says primary candidates must be chosen by a democratic vote.
Yes. And kamala Harris has recieved exactly ZERO votes from We the People as the 2025 presidential candidate.
Before I address the above can you clarify what this means: OMG. I was refering to the propagandists like you that are cleaver. Lool.
Judging by all the convention votes she got and the tens of thousands of people showing up at her rallies, it doesn't seem to be an issue.
But you're not incorrect.
Just like President Ford never got a single vote became President, this may or may not happen to her, except she will be in the general election.
Even Alabama just put her on the ballot.
So yes, the America people still get to decide, we agree on that.
If it is improper, people better tell the Supreme Court and stop it now. The protestors that I saw Fox Cover were the anti-abortion people and the "pro terrorist people". No one seemed to be protested that we the people didn't get to vote for her in the primary. Well, I can't say no one, because there was some rambles from the left about such things, including BLM.
These are crazy unprecedented times. Democrats have come off some of the most exciting 30 days in politics in my lifetime (other than the day Obama won the election...twice). Doubtful that momentum is going to sustain and the hangover is coming, but I think she sees that.
The democratic nomination process seems to have bothered you more than it bothered democrats. Oh well. Harris is the nominee and she and her VP pick seem to be generating quite a bit of enthusiasm from the democratic voting base while she runs against the crazy fellow who hasn't ever won a popular vote. She sure does seem to know how to craft a message that might appeal to moderate or independent voters while Trump is stuck in generalized right wing grievance.
Nah. It doesn't bother me as much as the democratic process of the electoral college bothers you.
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OMG. I was refering to the propagandists like you that are cleaver. Lool.
The American people will decided if he's fit or not. Won't they?