I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can. My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.
He's not going away.
Haberman's book is out based on interviews. I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting. Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with. LOL
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“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”
Spot on analysis here. Couldn't agree with you more. I'd add the liberal media also covered for him and then also participated in his political assassination.
LOL...well I guess they did the "right thing" when they finally were forced to.
It doesn't seem to bother your side that Harris more than almost anyone likely new of his deficits, lied about them, and has not been accountable for the cover up.
I'm glad truth and not covering up things matter to you.
Fair enough. She said on more than one occasion "he's fine" while also admitting his deficits. I also think long before Biden voluntarily resigned plans were laid in place. I think the timing after the convention and Vance being appointed was deliberate.
I think the truth was somewhere between "he's fine" and Fox's claims of senility. He has proven and still continues to prove he is a capable president.
I think most of us, and there were 2/3rds at the time that wanted him to drop out, are just relieved it happened and aren't looking back.
It's quite interesting to me that people are upset at how it was handled and how the democrats behaved and hardly one Republican will they say are glad he's out and it's a good thing because of his impairments. Well, you did say "LOL...I guess....."
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Republicans have been calling Biden unfit for months. But in a surprise turn, it's now Republicans who most desperately want him to stay.
Last week, The Atlantic's Tim Alberta reported that Trump's top campaign advisers have engineered a campaign to highlight Biden's feebleness and poor fitness for office. They now fear the plan has backfired. For Trump to win (in a "landslide,” as they predict), their best chance is Biden staying in the race.
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Tweety said:
I'm glad truth and not covering up things matter to you.
Fair enough. She said on more than one occasion "he's fine" while also admitting his deficits. I also think long before Biden voluntarily resigned plans were laid in place. I think the timing after the convention and Vance being appointed was deliberate.
I think the truth was somewhere between "he's fine" and Fox's claims of senility. He has proven and still continues to prove he is a capable president.
I think most of us, and there were 2/3rds at the time that wanted him to drop out, are just relieved it happened and aren't looking back.
It's quite interesting to me that people are upset at how it was handled and how the democrats behaved and hardly one Republican will they say are glad he's out and it's a good thing because of his impairments. Well, you did say "LOL...I guess....."
Indeed. Team Trump is on its heels because not one person had a contingency plan for campaigning against anyone other than Biden even as they increasingly called for Biden's family or cabinet to end his campaign. We were subjected to that messaging in these threads.
It's inexplicable, really, that someone in Trump's campaign thought that focusing upon the cognitive function and age of the candidates was the best strategy for victory. They assumed that Trump's cognitive function and age would never be the focus, possibly because they've been so successful in manipulating media coverage to benefit Trump over the past 8 years. Now, Trump's strategy has lots and lots of people wondering about his cognitive and mental health as he struggles to articulate any policy positions, quickly falling into divisive name calling and generalized grievance griping in his public remarks.
Trump's voting base and sychophants are criticizing Harris for not having a press briefing while completely ignoring that Trump's recent press briefings were ridiculous demonstrations of Trump's mental illness, inability to answer questions, pathological lying, and word salad verbal deterioration. The double standards are remarkable.
Whew...it must be me. Most of that is over my head and I don't have a clue ehat your talking about.
I am curious though, just what specifically of the Republican narrative isn't true?
It wasn't the Republicans who turned against Biden overnight and forced him to withdraw from running for re-election.
Of course it's over your head. Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. I suggest you revisit the history of conservatism and the Republican Party since at least the Nixon campaign in the late sixties.
As for the republican narrative about Biden's cognitive health, it boils down to an inability to discern the difference between normal aging and actual mental disease. Plus the fact that trump's team was already trying to cope with his disability and had to divert the discussion onto something else, like a made-up version of Biden's. Accusation=confession has always been a reliable lens through which to view right-wing claims, even before 2016. (See first paragraph of this post.)
I don't believe that Biden's decision to drop out of the race was either sudden or solely due to his advanced age. I believe it was basic political calculation of the chances of winning with such a large slice of the electorate being disappointed that he didn't move as far left or as fast as some people wanted. Then there were the international pressures such as the Israeli/Palestine war and the Russian invasion of Ukraine, as well as general fatigue over a "rematch" election. It was all being reflected in the polls for quite some time. Nothing "overnight" about it. The possibility of another trump presidency as evidenced by polling data became too much of a risk, regardless of Biden's obvious competence at the job. (You gotta admit that the timing was BRILLIANT! The repubs still haven't recovered.)
Indeed. Team Trump is on its heels because not one person had a contingency plan for campaigning against anyone other than Biden even as they increasingly called for Biden's family or cabinet to end his campaign. We were subjected to that messaging in these threads.
It's inexplicable, really, that someone in Trump's campaign thought that focusing upon the cognitive function and age of the candidates was the best strategy for victory. They assumed that Trump's cognitive function and age would never be the focus, possibly because they've been so successful in manipulating media coverage to benefit Trump over the past 8 years. Now, Trump's strategy has lots and lots of people wondering about his cognitive and mental health as he struggles to articulate any policy positions, quickly falling into divisive name calling and generalized grievance griping in his public remarks.
Trump's voting base and sychophants are criticizing Harris for not having a press briefing while completely ignoring that Trump's recent press briefings were ridiculous demonstrations of Trump's mental illness, inability to answer questions, pathological lying, and word salad verbal deterioration. The double standards are remarkable.
Perhaps the Republicans take issue with riding the poles? They know Biden would lose so they assigned a replacement thar didn't go through the primaries. This being so close to the election. So very democratic.
As for the republican narrative about Biden's cognitive health, it boils down to an inability to discern the difference between normal aging and actual mental disease.
As far as his fitness to be president, it doesn't matter. And, it didn't happen overnight.
heron said:
I don't believe that Biden's decision to drop out of the race was either sudden or solely due to his advanced age. I believe it was basic political calculation of the chances of winning with such a large slice of the electorate being disappointed that he didn't move as far left or as fast as some people wanted. Then there were the international pressures such as the Israeli/Palestine war and the Russian invasion of Ukraine, as well as general fatigue over a "rematch" election. It was all being reflected in the polls for quite some time. Nothing "overnight" about it. The possibility of another trump presidency as evidenced by polling data became too much of a risk, regardless of Biden's obvious competence at the job. (You gotta admit that the timing was BRILLIANT! The repubs still haven't recovered.)
First of all, it wasn't his decision. He was forced out.
Obviously it was a political calculation. Those covering for him (the Dems "Big Lie") realized after the debate the jig was up. And, they turned on him, literally, overnight. Remember, folks like me were "cherry-picking" his bad moments? "Cheap fakes" were right before the debate. Then, overnight after the debate, everything changed.
And, yes. The polling numbers weren't good. So, the Dems simply disregarded the will of those who voted for Biden in the primaries.
So, you think the far left is much happier with a Harris/Walz ticket? I will agree with you on that one!
The eruption unnerved Trump's Republican allies — and marked a potential turning point in his presidential campaign in a key state. Kemp not only controls a vaunted turnout operation in Georgia but also has a track record of assembling the kind of coalition of traditionalist Republicans and independents that Trump will be counting on to carry the swing state in November.
Following the rally, even Trump's advisers seemed to know the former president had gone too far. "The Trump campaign was calling around to legislators ... asking them to post positive things about the rally on social media and were being told, 'No,’” said a Georgia GOP operative familiar with these private conversations and granted anonymity to discuss them.
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"I think what it does is it puts more pressure on the Trump organization in the state when you're essentially operating without any help from the incumbent governor,” said another Georgia GOP operative granted anonymity to speak freely. "And so the Trump team's going to have a lot of pressure in Georgia to get it right.”
That pressure has increased in recent weeks. As in other battlegrounds, Trump has lost his strong lead in polling in Georgia since Vice President Kamala Harris replaced Joe Biden atop the Democratic ticket, with Trump and Harris now effectively tied in the state. In response, the Trump campaign is pouring over $20 million into advertising in the state, and the pro-Trump super PAC MAGA Inc. is including Georgia as part of a massive $100 million ad buy in battleground states.
Trump acts out when he feels slighted on the political stage, so to speak. When he felt under appreciated in Georgia in earlier elections, Trump told voters to stay home rather than vote for their newest senators.
Maybe it's the PTSD from the attempted assassination that prevents Trump from pivoting to a more appealing general election message based more on policy and less on divisive personal attacks. Maybe it's just his mental illness that prevents him from moderating his own speech.
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Trump supporters here seem really determined to talk about Biden rather than Trump in this Trump thread. There's no need to talk about Biden's cognitive status when the candidate in the presidential race with obvious cognitive challenges is Trump. It's interesting that no prominent member of the Trump family or the Trump campaign or the RNC is talking about the evidence that Trump is unwell and unfit to serve as POTUS or suggesting that the old crazy guy stop out of the race.
Trump said that Hannibal Lecter endorsed him for president. That's crazy right?
Pennebaker noted that a linguistic metric of analytic thinking reveals that Trump's levels of complexity are remarkably low – most presidential candidates range between 60 and 70 in the metric, while Trump ranges from 10 to 24, something Pennebaker called "staggering.”
"He does not think in a complex way at all,” he added.
Basically, Trump isn't a deep thinker any more and his speech patterns reflect that.
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"There's reasonable evidence suggestive of forms of dementia,” he told STAT. "The reduction in complexity of sentences and vocabulary does lead you to a certain picture of cognitive diminishment.”
Boston University neurology professor Andrew Budson told the outlet that Trump's digressions are likely connected to the frontal lobe, which is the part of the brain that is most affected by aging. The digressions could also be a sign of ADHD, bad sleep or it could be an indication of Alzheimer's.
The digressions could also be a combination of aging, mental illness and cognitive decline secondary to dementia. Regardless, the bottom line is that Trump is not well and his decline is reasonably obvious.
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As far as his fitness to be president, it doesn't matter. And, it didn't happen overnight.
First of all, it wasn't his decision. He was forced out.
Obviously it was a political calculation. Those covering for him (the Dems "Big Lie") realized after the debate the jig was up. And, they turned on him, literally, overnight. Remember, folks like me were "cherry-picking" his bad moments? "Cheap fakes" were right before the debate. Then, overnight after the debate, everything changed.
And, yes. The polling numbers weren't good. So, the Dems simply disregarded the will of those who voted for Biden in the primaries.
So, you think the far left is much happier with a Harris/Walz ticket? I will agree with you on that one!
"Obvious competence at the job"...LOL
The polls suggest otherwise.
Of course it was Biden's decision to retire and not seek reelection. That's a weird claim.
Polls don't measure a president's competence, they measure and qualify other people's opinions. The measurement of competence of the accomplishments of the Chief Executive involves different metrics and Biden was ranked highly effective while Trump was ranked very lowly.
I can see the accusation that Biden was forced out of office since he was so defiant and then he wasn't. At the end of the day, he made a very coherent and willing resignation.
I also see the point about the Democrats Big Lie, but while I do think there was some cover up for Biden's decline, and they were backed into a corner after the debate particularly by 2/3rd of us that decided we wanted him out even if we voted for him the primary, the difference between Democrats and Republicans here, is that the Democrats made it right. Democrats while doing a complete about face at the disposal of Biden, admit they were wrong and that it's time to move forward. Also the Democrats that voted for Biden in the primary are not going to "stop the steal" and riot at Capitol.
I was reading an article in USA Today talking about Harris's socialist agenda, and the writer said "Trump is awful but he's better for the country than Harris". People like his leadership and what he did during his presidency, "even if he lies" as Crusades here said. I said at the time of his Presidency, he was throwing bones at the Republicans agenda (the tax cuts being the big one they wanted), they let him lie, bully and be Trump. Plus to cross him had a price to pay. Look at how "never Trumper" VP Pick Vance is now all kissy kissy with Trump. Trump is not a stupid man. He's pretty masterful at this manipulation of those around him (even if they go to jail) and his public.
Speaking of polls Harris is in the lead in some polls and the convention may help her there. Instead of worrying about how and why she's the candidate, and how we behaved towards Biden, republicans need to regroup and find a way to get their awful (my words, but also the words of a Republican) candidate back in the lead.
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Tweety said:
I can see the accusation that Biden was forced out of office since he was so defiant and then he wasn't. At the end of the day, he made a very coherent and willing resignation.
I also see the point about the Democrats Big Lie, but while I do think there was some cover up for Biden's decline, and they were backed into a corner after the debate particularly by 2/3rd of us that decided we wanted him out even if we voted for him the primary, the difference between Democrats and Republicans here, is that the Democrats made it right. Democrats while doing a complete about face at the disposal of Biden, admit they were wrong and that it's time to move forward. Also the Democrats that voted for Biden in the primary are not going to "stop the steal" and riot at Capitol.
I was reading an article in USA Today talking about Harris's socialist agenda, and the writer said "Trump is awful but he's better for the country than Harris". People like his leadership and what he did during his presidency, "even if he lies" as Crusades here said. I said at the time of his Presidency, he was throwing bones at the Republicans agenda (the tax cuts being the big one they wanted), they let him lie, bully and be Trump. Plus to cross him had a price to pay. Look at how "never Trumper" VP Pick Vance is now all kissy kissy with Trump. Trump is not a stupid man. He's pretty masterful at this manipulation of those around him (even if they go to jail) and his public.
Speaking of polls Harris is in the lead in some polls and the convention may help her there. Instead of worrying about how and why she's the candidate, and how we behaved towards Biden, republicans need to regroup and find a way to get their awful (my words, but also the words of a Republican) candidate back in the lead.
Nah...I think it's representative of conservative politics that Trump supporters prefer to fixate on a grievance in the past rather than develop a thoughtful plan for the future. They should just follow Trump's pathological need to rehash old lies and his petty personal grievances, it will play well to the moderate and independent voters.
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I'm glad truth and not covering up things matter to you.
Fair enough. She said on more than one occasion "he's fine" while also admitting his deficits. I also think long before Biden voluntarily resigned plans were laid in place. I think the timing after the convention and Vance being appointed was deliberate.
I think the truth was somewhere between "he's fine" and Fox's claims of senility. He has proven and still continues to prove he is a capable president.
I think most of us, and there were 2/3rds at the time that wanted him to drop out, are just relieved it happened and aren't looking back.
It's quite interesting to me that people are upset at how it was handled and how the democrats behaved and hardly one Republican will they say are glad he's out and it's a good thing because of his impairments. Well, you did say "LOL...I guess....."
https://www.Yahoo.com/news/republicans-biden-please-don-t-202115271.html