I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can. My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.
He's not going away.
Haberman's book is out based on interviews. I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting. Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with. LOL
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“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”
I watched the linked video above Hoo Boy, that was more than weird. A combo of malignant narcissism, dementia, stupidity and mendacity. He has this bizarre propensity to exaggerate numbers that are easily fact-checked, like Tweety said on another thread. He said mortgage rates are 10%? My credit union lists 6.375% for a 30 year load.
And I think I heard someone ask him about Harris' proposal to address price gouging, and he goes on a rant about fracking. What the heck was that about?
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nursej22 said:
I watched the linked video above Hoo Boy, that was more than weird. A combo of malignant narcissism, dementia, stupidity and mendacity. He has this bizarre propensity to exaggerate numbers that are easily fact-checked, like Tweety said on another thread. He said mortgage rates are 10%? My credit union lists 6.375% for a 30 year load.
And I think I heard someone ask him about Harris' proposal to address price gouging, and he goes on a rant about fracking. What the heck was that about?
It's about associative looseness and the other symptoms of his mental illness and cognitive decline.
On the other hand it's hard to take your immediate dismissal of any concerns about Trumps mentation when you were so concerned about Biden's.
For others, every time Biden misspoke, stuttered, made a mistake, hesitated it was all evidence of his cognitive decline. Trump rambles, makes stuff up, gets dates and names incorrect, get unhinged on social media and makes words up, and it's silence. I agree with TMB, the right is treating Trump differently.
Fun time.
I will have to respectfully disagree that I dismiss concerns about Trump. I have on several occasions agreed that he exhibits narcissist traits.
However his behavior and baseline has remained the same over 8 yrs. This in contradiction with cognitive decline. As decline does not just stop.
Biden has a stark decline in the last 8 yrs. As evident by his speech pattern, gait and thought impairment. It seems the most powerful people in his party see the same and pushed him out of the race.
I will have to respectfully disagree that I dismiss concerns about Trump. I have on several occasions agreed that he exhibits narcissist traits.
However his behavior and baseline has remained the same over 8 yrs. This in contradiction with cognitive decline. As decline does not just stop.
Biden has a stark decline in the last 8 yrs. As evident by his speech pattern, gait and thought impairment.
I'll drop it if you have no concerns other than "narcissist traits".
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It seems the most powerful people in his party see the same and pushed him out of the race.
I can't agree, it seems to me the powerful people in the party covered up for him and kept him in the race. It was more pressure from outside the party, such as donors and the general public opinion that brought the powerful to support his retirement. This was evidenced by the immediate embrace of Harris and the joy we are all feeling right now. You and others seem really bothered that we tossed him aside but as you say " Biden has a stark decline in the last 8 yrs. As evident by his speech pattern, gait and thought impairment. " We did the right thing then correct?
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Crusades said:
I will have to respectfully disagree that I dismiss concerns about Trump. I have on several occasions agreed that he exhibits narcissist traits.
However his behavior and baseline has remained the same over 8 yrs. This in contradiction with cognitive decline. As decline does not just stop.
Biden has a stark decline in the last 8 yrs. As evident by his speech pattern, gait and thought impairment. It seems the most powerful people in his party see the same and pushed him out of the race.
What are the narcissistic traits that you agree that Trump exhibits? Let's find common ground and consensus.
I think there is obvious evidence of Trump's cognitive decline over the last 8 years. There's also evidence of the decline in his mental health. His speech patterns are reflective of that decline.
It's normal to expect that Trump's cognitive function and mental health might be negatively impacted by the stress of campaigning, given his age. But this isn't normal. Someone tried to kill him and the opponent he had built a campaign around criticizing dropped out. As he absorbed those epic twists and stressors, the Democratic nomination quickly solidified behind a younger black woman who seems to inspire lots of people with her optimism. All of a sudden Trump isn't telling the country who his opponent is, his opponent had told the world who he is... weird, they said he's weird. That bothered Trump and he is on his heels.
Trump likely has some PTSD from the assassination attempt and he's shocked still that Biden just quit the race. Trump talked lots about the shooting and apparently he's watching videos online. He's still talking about Biden quitting and imagining scenarios where Biden creates a problem at the convention. The stress of all of this is taking a very negative toll on Trump's mental and cognitive health. Trump is not well.
I can't agree, it seems to me the powerful people in the party covered up for him and kept him in the race. It was more pressure from outside the party, such as donors and the general public opinion that brought the powerful to support his retirement. This was evidenced by the immediate embrace of Harris and the joy we are all feeling right now.
Spot on analysis here. Couldn't agree with you more. I'd add the liberal media also covered for him and then also participated in his political assassination.
Tweety said:
Biden has a stark decline in the last 8 yrs. As evident by his speech pattern, gait and thought impairment. " We did the right thing then correct?
LOL...well I guess they did the "right thing" when they finally were forced to.
It doesn't seem to bother your side that Harris more than almost anyone likely new of his deficits, lied about them, and has not been accountable for the cover up.
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Beerman said:
Spot on analysis here. Couldn't agree with you more. I'd add the liberal media also covered for him and then also participated in his political assassination.
LOL...well I guess they did the "right thing" when they finally were forced to.
It doesn't seem to bother your side that Harris more than almost anyone likely new of his deficits, lied about them, and has not been accountable for the cover up.
You're kidding right? You want to hold Harris accountable for imagined lies but you'll vote for Trump who lied to you about everything when he was president? And you're suggesting that while the pathological liar that you support is showing obvious symptoms of mental illness AND cognitive decline but no member of his team is warning the public?
Spot on analysis here. Couldn't agree with you more. I'd add the liberal media also covered for him and then also participated in his political assassination.
LOL...well I guess they did the "right thing" when they finally were forced to.
It doesn't seem to bother your side that Harris more than almost anyone likely new of his deficits, lied about them, and has not been accountable for the cover up.
Your whole schtick here is based on the assumption that the republican narrative is true. It is not. I think that it's is just more of the same old dog and pony show that grew out of the political success of their southern strategy. It's all they know how to do: false advertising, accusation as confession and an abiding faith in the stupidity of ordinary people.
Just look at the chaos that erupted on the right when Biden's decision blew up the electoral equation. Why should I believe those idiots about anything?
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heron said:
Your whole schtick here is based on the assumption that the republican narrative is true. It is not. I think that it's is just more of the same old dog and pony show that grew out of the political success of their southern strategy. It's all they know how to do: false advertising, accusation as confession and an abiding faith in the stupidity of ordinary people.
Just look at the chaos that erupted on the right when Biden's decision blew up the electoral equation. Why should I believe those idiots about anything?
The media often treat the right wing messaging and marketing as if we should assume it's true even when available evidence says it's not true. This is the phenomenon that elevates Trump's lies, making them seem normal and reasonable rather than seem weird, unreasonable, divisive and dangerous. The repeating of election lies and how that has led us to notable Republicans refusing to accept election results is an excellent example of how elevating lies as if they are somehow reasonable or true is dangerous. Now republican voters don't even think it's unacceptable for a politician to refuse to accept electoral losses and refuse to participate in peaceful transfer of power.
You're kidding right? You want to hold Harris accountable for imagined lies but you'll vote for Trump who lied to you about everything when he was president? And you're suggesting that while the pathological liar that you support is showing obvious symptoms of mental illness AND cognitive decline but no member of his team is warning the public?
You can't possibly be serious.
Imagined lies?
Why do you think Biden dropped out race when he said "a number of my Democratic colleagues in the House and Senate thought that I was gonna hurt them in the races."?
You think that had nothing to do with his cognitive decline? Or did they urge him to drop out because the knew he could not win? So a few months from the election, they drop him and insert a candidate that was not democratically elected in the primaries who they feal has a better chance? While claiming to "protect democracy "
Nothing says democracy by forcing out the current president and the primary candidate then placing another person in the race that did not go through the democratic process. LOL
You can't be possibly serious? You speculate on Trump's "cognitive decline" while holding the position that Biden is just "old and wise". Even when most left msm media Biden shril and members of his own party felt that the obvious could not be denied even by the most skilled democrat propagandist.
You can't be serous? You belive Biden has no cognitive decline? Then tell us why his party forced him put, the msm jumped on board immediately after? Why?
Spot on analysis here. Couldn't agree with you more. I'd add the liberal media also covered for him and then also participated in his political assassination.
LOL...well I guess they did the "right thing" when they finally were forced to.
It doesn't seem to bother your side that Harris more than almost anyone likely new of his deficits, lied about them, and has not been accountable for the cover up.
Yes. It's like the suspect denying the crime right up to the discovery of DNA evidence then patting themselfs on the back for doing the "right thing" .LOL
Your whole schtick here is based on the assumption that the republican narrative is true. It is not. I think that it's is just more of the same old dog and pony show that grew out of the political success of their southern strategy. It's all they know how to do: false advertising, accusation as confession and an abiding faith in the stupidity of ordinary people.
Just look at the chaos that erupted on the right when Biden's decision blew up the electoral equation. Why should I believe those idiots about anything?
Whew...it must be me. Most of that is over my head and I don't have a clue ehat your talking about.
I am curious though, just what specifically of the Republican narrative isn't true?
It wasn't the Republicans who turned against Biden overnight and forced him to withdraw from running for re-election.
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I watched the linked video above Hoo Boy, that was more than weird. A combo of malignant narcissism, dementia, stupidity and mendacity. He has this bizarre propensity to exaggerate numbers that are easily fact-checked, like Tweety said on another thread. He said mortgage rates are 10%? My credit union lists 6.375% for a 30 year load.
And I think I heard someone ask him about Harris' proposal to address price gouging, and he goes on a rant about fracking. What the heck was that about?