I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can. My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.
He's not going away.
Haberman's book is out based on interviews. I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting. Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with. LOL
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“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”
Will it convince the voters. Is the question that matters .
Besides that not new news and has not been effective in lowering the numbers of people who are not happy with their quality of life under Biden.
The article fails to mention that people were, or at least felt like they were better off under Trump. The article consists of what they say would be worse if Trump was president. Trying to prove something that isn't happening is heavy propagandic fear mongering. Desperate
I don't think a group of educated persons decided to get together because they were desperate and decided to fear monger to get Biden elected. That's a spin.
Economists often make predictions and just because we don't like what they say doesn't mean they are trying to fear monger. That being said, they are also often wrong. It was predicted that 2023 would be a year of recession and this was true in countries like the United Kingdom and Japan, but the United States was able to avoid it, no thanks in part to Biden. But also at a cost of high interest rates and stubborn inflation which is on the mind of voters first and foremost if the economy is why they are voting.
But I will agree that polls have shown that people feel worse off, particularly polls ending in 2023. It's hard to shake that off but fortunately for Biden the economic news keeps getting better. Unfortunately, people don't care because they are deeper in debt, their covid money ran dry, and inflation is still very much on their minds.
I don't think it's "most people" that would at least mean 51% say they were better off during the Trump administration and it's something like 41% (which probably is along party lines). Sizable number but apparently people are blocking out the covid years during that and looking ahead of covid, but also they had a lot of stimulus during that time as well so beside lockdown, fear and human death, people were fairing well.
I saw clips on a TV news show last night from a debate in 2020, and it reminded me of how deranged Trump was even then. This was the debate that he came in knowing he was positive for COVID, and his family refused to wear masks while sitting in the audience. He was interrupting Biden and Chris Wallace, and IMO, was an overall horses behind.
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nursej22 said:
I saw clips on a TV news show last night from a debate in 2020, and it reminded me of how deranged Trump was even then. This was the debate that he came in knowing he was positive for COVID, and his family refused to wear masks while sitting in the audience. He was interrupting Biden and Chris Wallace, and IMO, was an overall horses behind.
It will be fascinating to watch and listen to Trump in this first debate. He is the unknown here... not Biden... we should have a pretty good idea what we're going to get from Biden during this debate. The real questions are all about Trump and his behavior or his temperament or his ability to stay on topic. It's going to be fascinating.
It was predicted that 2023 would be a year of recession and this was true in countries like the United Kingdom and Japan, but the United States was able to avoid it, no thanks in part to Biden. But also at a cost of high interest rates and stubborn inflation which is on the mind of voters first and foremost if the economy is why they are voting.
I think the US was able to avoid a recession in large part thanks to Biden. And the inflation is world wide, and much worse in countries other than the US.
Sure, people thought they were better off under a President who reached into the treasury and threw tons of free money around, and spouted crazy talk about tariffs.
That's your opinion but your opinion also includes the idea that Trump was a good president the first go around and you can't seem to wrap your brain around how badly Trump performed during a pandemic before he tried to overthrow our government. Thanks for your opinion.
Well ypu have failed to provide any tangible evidence beyond repetitive rants. Good think you're not on the Biden campaign team.
P.s: tell it the millions of people who vote for Trump
His actual words were not that he "wants to terminate the constitution".
Often omitted by some on here and purposly left out.
Leads me to belive that the omission is deliberate.
I do not think "terminating the constitution " is even possible. However I'm sure some may believe it having heard it over and over. Kins of like a "cult" tactic....
I don't have the stomach to watch debates in the modern era. It might be my imagination but it seems there was a time when moderators just asked questions and the candidates gave their answers with a little back and forth but allowed each other to speak. I remember a debate I watched when Trump interrupted Hillary with a "you'd be in jail" comment and I turned it off, never to watch another debate.
I disagree with J22 that Trump needs approval. He's arrogant and self-confident enough to not care and need approval. The fact that he lies and alienates so many people show this.
Trump I don't think can win a debate because fact checkers will probably not give it to him, but he might surprise some people and come out on top. Trump is very comfortable on stage and will be in his element, and if he can act like a mature adult, not interrupt and not be outrageous to the moderators from the fake new media, he'll come out okay.
I think if Biden and his camp are confident enough in his cognition to put him on stage under pressure with Trump he also should do okay, but I do have concerns that he'll stumble around and show examples that people will peace together about him being in cognitive decline and not fit.
At the end of the day, I'll just get the highlights, but I'm not looking forward to it.
Do you think that Biden has any cognitive decline?
I want to hear what you think about this. I will not counter argue (may ask clarifying questions) and will not use what you say as a a point in any discussion on this forum..
I simply value your content and opinion. Many I try to speak with who vote democrat will not have a respectful discussion and divert to slamming Trump and ad Hominiem rhetoric.
Do you think that Biden has any cognitive decline?
I want to hear what you think about this. I will not counter argue (may ask clarifying questions) and will not use what you say as a a point in any discussion on this forum..
I simply value your content and opinion. Many I try to speak with who vote democrat will not have a respectful discussion and divert to slamming Trump and ad Hominiem rhetoric.
That's a fair question.
I would say the those at Fox News such as Tucker Carlson and Hume that are labeling him "senile" are incorrect. Their words not mine. Biden allies have said the same thing about Trump as well.
We've had three years as Biden as President and from day one the accusations of him having dementia and cognitive decline have been there. Like I said, we've already had many discussions about it two years ago after we stopped talking about covid and Afghanistan. I think he's done a decent and capable job as president and hasn't changed much in the last few years.
That being said, he's an elderly man, not as sharp mentally as he used to be and with each passing year probably going to get less sharp, and physically looking frail. He should retire and I'm not comfortable with him being president for four more years as old as he is.
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Crusades said:
Well ypu have failed to provide any tangible evidence beyond repetitive rants. Good think you're not on the Biden campaign team.
P.s: tell it the millions of people who vote for Trump
Of course I've provided tangible evidence that Trump mismanaged the pandemic and divided the country with misinformation and lies.
I'm not on the Biden campaign team in exactly the same way you aren't in the Trump campaign team, right? I campaign for a decent man with a really good record as president and you campaign for the felon with a bottom shelf record as president.
His actual words were not that he "wants to terminate the constitution".
Often omitted by some on here and purposly left out.
Leads me to belive that the omission is deliberate.
I do not think "terminating the constitution " is even possible. However I'm sure some may believe it having heard it over and over. Kins of like a "cult" tactic....
An example of fear mongering.
His post was
"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,”
So no technically it wasn't talking about terminating the constitution but he used the word terminate and constitution in the same sentence.
We all know he can't terminate the constitution, he just meant the parts the he didn't like needed to be changed. What that all meant is just his usual gibberish to me.
It's not an example of fear mongering in my opinion, but the annoying way of journalist have of spinning things.
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Crusades said:
His actual words were not that he "wants to terminate the constitution".
Often omitted by some on here and purposly left out.
Leads me to belive that the omission is deliberate.
I do not think "terminating the constitution " is even possible. However I'm sure some may believe it having heard it over and over. Kins of like a "cult" tactic....
An example of fear mongering.
Baloney.
"Do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,"
What kind of person excuses and explains away the type of un-American thinking and language from a felon? Trump lost the 2020 election. He was the rightful loser.
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Tweety said:
His post was
"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,”
So no technically it wasn't talking about terminating the constitution but he used the word terminate and constitution in the same sentence.
We all know he can't terminate the constitution, he just meant the parts the he didn't like needed to be changed. What that all meant is just his usual gibberish to me.
It's not an example of fear mongering in my opinion, but the annoying way of journalist have of spinning things.
I don't agree. Trump said termination of all rules, even those in the constitution. Violating the rules of the constitution and not experiencing accountability for breaking those rules is the same as termination of those rules. There are very specific constitututional rules about aiding or giving comfort to insurrectionists, for example.
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I don't think a group of educated persons decided to get together because they were desperate and decided to fear monger to get Biden elected. That's a spin.
Economists often make predictions and just because we don't like what they say doesn't mean they are trying to fear monger. That being said, they are also often wrong. It was predicted that 2023 would be a year of recession and this was true in countries like the United Kingdom and Japan, but the United States was able to avoid it, no thanks in part to Biden. But also at a cost of high interest rates and stubborn inflation which is on the mind of voters first and foremost if the economy is why they are voting.
But I will agree that polls have shown that people feel worse off, particularly polls ending in 2023. It's hard to shake that off but fortunately for Biden the economic news keeps getting better. Unfortunately, people don't care because they are deeper in debt, their covid money ran dry, and inflation is still very much on their minds.
I don't think it's "most people" that would at least mean 51% say they were better off during the Trump administration and it's something like 41% (which probably is along party lines). Sizable number but apparently people are blocking out the covid years during that and looking ahead of covid, but also they had a lot of stimulus during that time as well so beside lockdown, fear and human death, people were fairing well.