I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can. My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.
He's not going away.
Haberman's book is out based on interviews. I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting. Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with. LOL
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“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”
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nursej22 said:
I predict Trump will attack the moderators from the start. I saw that Hannity is already doing that. Then he will mock and insult Biden, and go after Hunter Biden.
And he may become so frustrated that he walks off the stage, because he won't get that positive feedback from an audience that he so craves.
Add to this that the debate starts at 2100. We've seen Trump's opponent communicate effectively into the night with the SOTU as a good example. We've noticed Trump speaking in word salad and demonstrating associative looseness or other disorders of speech when he isn't following notes or a teleprompter. In my view, the later the hour of the day, the more abnormal Trump's speech patterns become. It will be interesting to see if sundown syndrome plays a part in this debate between two old men.
I don't have the stomach to watch debates in the modern era. It might be my imagination but it seems there was a time when moderators just asked questions and the candidates gave their answers with a little back and forth but allowed each other to speak. I remember a debate I watched when Trump interrupted Hillary with a "you'd be in jail" comment and I turned it off, never to watch another debate.
I disagree with J22 that Trump needs approval. He's arrogant and self-confident enough to not care and need approval. The fact that he lies and alienates so many people show this.
Trump I don't think can win a debate because fact checkers will probably not give it to him, but he might surprise some people and come out on top. Trump is very comfortable on stage and will be in his element, and if he can act like a mature adult, not interrupt and not be outrageous to the moderators from the fake new media, he'll come out okay.
I think if Biden and his camp are confident enough in his cognition to put him on stage under pressure with Trump he also should do okay, but I do have concerns that he'll stumble around and show examples that people will peace together about him being in cognitive decline and not fit.
At the end of the day, I'll just get the highlights, but I'm not looking forward to it.
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A new report out from the nonpartisan organization Open to Debate, and shared first with POLITICO Nightly, shows that our eyes are not deceiving us: debates have gotten materially worse in the last decade. Interruptions have skyrocketed, moderators have lost control and the formats of the debates have allowed candidates to dodge questions.
This year, the Biden and Trump campaigns ducked the Commission on Presidential Debates altogether, choosing instead to negotiate with each other and the networks directly. The result? Rules released this weekend by CNN that will give moderators more tools to maintain decorum, including the ability to mute candidates' microphones. But the debate will also bow to some commercial interests, including two commercial breaks — and that makes Open to Debate's CEO Clea Conner nervous.
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Tweety said:
I don't have the stomach to watch debates in the modern era. It might be my imagination but it seems there was a time when moderators just asked questions and the candidates gave their answers with a little back and forth but allowed each other to speak. I remember a debate I watched when Trump interrupted Hillary with a "you'd be in jail" comment and I turned it off, never to watch another debate.
I disagree with J22 that Trump needs approval. He's arrogant and self-confident enough to not care and need approval. The fact that he lies and alienates so many people show this.
Trump I don't think can win a debate because fact checkers will probably not give it to him, but he might surprise some people and come out on top. Trump is very comfortable on stage and will be in his element, and if he can act like a mature adult, not interrupt and not be outrageous to the moderators from the fake new media, he'll come out okay.
I think if Biden and his camp are confident enough in his cognition to put him on stage under pressure with Trump he also should do okay, but I do have concerns that he'll stumble around and show examples that people will peace together about him being in cognitive decline and not fit.
At the end of the day, I'll just get the highlights, but I'm not looking forward to it.
I have to disagree with you about the Trump needing approval thing. Trump creates the persona of extreme confidence which doesn't need approval, but, Trump is clearly suffering from an extreme form of narcissism (malignant) and that is associated with an intense need for approval and acceptance and attention.
Add to this that the debate starts at 2100. We've seen Trump's opponent communicate effectively into the night with the SOTU as a good example. We've noticed Trump speaking in word salad and demonstrating associative looseness or other disorders of speech when he isn't following notes or a teleprompter. In my view, the later the hour of the day, the more abnormal Trump's speech patterns become. It will be interesting to see if sundown syndrome plays a part in this debate between two old men.
Trump I think is more of a late night person who doesn't get much sleep. He used to Tweet at all hours of the night when he was president. I would think the prime time slot would be best for him. He seems to have trouble being up early and during the day.
Add to this that the debate starts at 2100. We've seen Trump's opponent communicate effectively into the night with the SOTU as a good example. We've noticed Trump speaking in word salad and demonstrating associative looseness or other disorders of speech when he isn't following notes or a teleprompter. In my view, the later the hour of the day, the more abnormal Trump's speech patterns become. It will be interesting to see if sundown syndrome plays a part in this debate between two old men.
I do think that all the people that are not voting for Biden based solely on his mental decline should also consider who they vote for as an alternative, if mental acuity is their benchmark.
After a long time of being concerned about Biden, it's also time to look at Trump.
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One candidate mangles his words sometimes, fell off a bike and stumbled on a stairway, shuffles when he walks and once called out a hello at a White House event to a former congresswoman who was, actually, dead.
The other one has several times confused who is the current president, identified his former ambassador to the United Nations as the former speaker he said was responsible for security at the Capitol, mispronounced simple words, gone off on curious tangents about magnets being ruined by water or people approaching him and asking him how he puts on his pants, and has made such incoherent remarks as, "We are an institute in a powerful death penalty."
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Tweety said:
Trump I think is more of a late night person who doesn't get much sleep. He used to Tweet at all hours of the night when he was president. I would think the prime time slot would be best for him. He seems to have trouble being up early and during the day.
That personal schedule won't change our opportunity to watch these two old men put their cognitive and communication abilities out for direct comparison. I'm going to be looking for the typical symptoms of sundown syndrome in both of the candidates. Trump's speech is too often agitated and confused word salad to not wonder about him.
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Tweety said:
I do think that all the people that are not voting for Biden based solely on his mental decline should also consider who they vote for as an alternative, if mental acuity is their benchmark.
After a long time of being concerned about Biden, it's also time to look at Trump.
I would suggest that it's past time to look at Trump's mental acuity. He is the candidate who keeps pushing a delusion that he didn't lose in 2020 and tried to overthrow our government.
I heard a statement and wanted to see the context. "I think it's time we put a felon in the White House".
Apparently it's an endorsement of Trump from a California sheriff that's fed up with life in California: homeless, crime and immigration and he thinks Trump will address it better than Biden.
Remind me how Trump California and its problems when he was President. This would be helpful in deciding if he's a better choice for California than Biden.
I would suggest that it's past time to look at Trump's mental acuity. He is the candidate who keeps pushing a delusion that he didn't lose in 2020 and tried to overthrow our government.
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Crusades said:
Let's do it. Then let's look at Bidens cognition.
It seems to me that there's been a great deal of talk and speculation about Biden's cognition already. You bring a good bit of it to these discussions. It's been the hot topic of all of the media outlets.
It's overdue to have a similar examination and discussion of Trump's cognitive and mental health.
Donald Trump privately expressed concerns that turning over potentially classified documents in his possession after a May 2022 subpoena could result in criminal charges while repeatedly engaging in what prosecutors have described as an effort to enlist his lawyers to lie and destroy documents for his benefit, according to transcripts of audio notes reviewed by ABC News.
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The notes, which ABC News first reported on last year, are at the center of an ongoing legal battle in the former president's federal classified documents case, where prosecutors have used the detailed notes about Trump's behavior and statements as key evidence to demonstrate that the former president attempted to obstruct justice by hiding documents from investigators.
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Two months before agents searched Mar-a-Lago, Trump's former lead attorney Evan Corcoran's notes -- which prosecutors have used to bolster their case against the former president -- describe that Trump repeatedly blamed his legal troubles on his "political enemies," was reluctant to allow the review of boxes that prosecutors say contained dozens of classified documents, and engaged in conduct that prosecutors believe was an effort to "corrupt" his attorneys by concealing Trump's alleged retention of classified documents.
Trump is trying to get his own attorney's notes thrown out because they are not good for his defense.
This case will most likely result in a prison sentence for Trump. The best way for him to avoid that incarceration is to delay the trial and get himself elected to the presidency. The details that are reported as the trial is delayed will be damaging to Trump's appeal to independent voters. Karl Rove made the case on Fox recently that there is already a downward trend to Trump's polling that will likely gain some momentum as weeks pass.
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Add to this that the debate starts at 2100. We've seen Trump's opponent communicate effectively into the night with the SOTU as a good example. We've noticed Trump speaking in word salad and demonstrating associative looseness or other disorders of speech when he isn't following notes or a teleprompter. In my view, the later the hour of the day, the more abnormal Trump's speech patterns become. It will be interesting to see if sundown syndrome plays a part in this debate between two old men.