I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can. My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.
He's not going away.
Haberman's book is out based on interviews. I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting. Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with. LOL
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“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”
Let's see if he says the same about the jury that doesn't find him guilty. I'm sure he'll give all the accolades and claim it was a 100% non partisan decision...... right.......
And what he'll say about the election if Trump wins.
I'm sure he'll accept the results as nothing but fair and democratic. Probably go after the electoral college as most cult demorats do.....
That's exactly what's going to happen. We're adults and Americans and believe in our system. If someone is found innocent by a court of law, we accept that. If someone wins an election, we accept that. It's not that hard to do. We can swallow bitter pills and disappointment if we have to.
Sure. And right now there are democrats who are looking for some ethics accountability for the SCOTUS. There's talk of diluting the corruption by adding justices. There's lots of evidence that supports the contention that the ethical guidelines are not followed by the Supremes. They should do better.
On the other hand, you have exactly no evidence that the judge presiding over Trump's NY trial is ethically challenged. None. You just question it because you don't like this jury decision. The judge didn't decide that Trump is guilty. A jury did. You have no evidence that the jury was corrupted by the judge. None. You just suggest that because you don't like the conviction.
In summary, there has been evidence presented and reported which demonstrates that the SCOTUS justices are not bound or measured by the typical ethical standards for justices, and there's no evidence reported or available which suggests or demonstrates that judge Merchan is corrupt or functioning in a biased fashion. One concern is based in evidence and the other concern is not based on evidence, it is based in emotional speculation.
I do remember when Trump supporters said things like... but he's not charged with any crime. Then it evolved into criticizing the specific crimes and noting that he wasn't convicted of anything when his losses were civil. Now Trump convicted is in one legal challenge and, just like with his electoral losses y'all jump right on the denial train... he couldn't have lost, they must be corrupt and cheating becomes the mantra again.
I'm certain that Trump's legal team will explore every conceivable avenue for appeal, no matter how flimsy. This should reassure you. Or maybe you now think that the entire american system is rigged against corruption and crime.
There is plenty of evidence of anti-Trump bias in the case in which he was found guilty. I've brought that up as the case unfolded and not only after the jury came back. You've done little to try and refute that evidence.
The appeal is irrelevant as it relates to the election as nothing will happen until after it takes place.
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Beerman said:
There is plenty of evidence of anti-Trump bias in the case in which he was found guilty. I've brought that up as the case unfolded and not only after the jury came back. You've done little to try and refute that evidence.
The appeal is irrelevant as it relates to the election as nothing will happen until after it takes place.
No. I'm my view you brought opinion about the case... not evidence of anti-Trump bias.
Correct. The appeal is as related to the election as the trial was related to the election. The only trial/ case processes that will take place prior to the election are the court interview (I think that's today) and the sentencing. That won't stop Trump supporters from claiming that the trial was rigged and unfair and Trump was wrongly convicted in the months leading to the election.
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Crusades said:
Yes and we will see exactly your opinion of a jury that finds him not guilty. You already defamed the Florida judge as corrupt, partisan and inexperienced. Better yet, we'll see your opinion of how free and fair the election in November is if Trump wins. Looooooll.
We haven't experienced a jury finding Trump not guilty yet. So far juries have decided that the evidence against Trump is more compelling than his defense that he's innocent and did nothing wrong.
Yes. In my opinion judge Cannon is inexperienced and biased and possibly not competent to manage this important and high profile case. Maybe you have some other explanation for her unprecedented decisions and delays of the trial proceedings. We could discuss them and weigh the probabilities by comparing to her history and previous experience in the bench.
I expect the election to be free and fair while knowing that Trump loyalists have been working to make it easier for partisan politicians to interfere in election result totals at the state level. While you project election result denial onto liberals I'll point out that every person vying to be Trump's VP refuses to say they will accept the 2024 electing results of they lose. Every. Single. One.
Is that why you are laughing out loud, because that projection was so weak and obvious?
Do you think he was confused about some of this stuff?
Do you think that he meant it when he said he didn't care about those people, he only cared about their vote?
It seems like small things like a teleprompter, or a wobbly podium, or rain in Normandy can totally upend Trump's intentions. Trump admitted that he doesn't pay contractors if he can find fault with their work. He should realize that the American people found fault with his work in November of 2020 and they hired another guy. He hasn't done anything since that loss to improve his attractiveness as a candidate for the same job he was fired from. He tells the same lies over and over and has added some crazy un-American rhetoric to boot.
Maybe you can put all of that into the proper context.
New Jersey Attorney General's Division of Alcoholic Beverage Control "is reviewing the impact of President Trump's conviction on the above referenced licenses, and declines further comment at this time,” the spokesperson said in an email.
According to New Jersey law, no liquor license "shall be issued to any person under 18 years old or to any person who has been convicted of a crime involving moral turpitude.” The division handbook states that crimes connected to "moral turpitude" are generally "those deemed serious by society.”
It also requires those applying for liquor licenses to have a "reputable" character and be expected to operate the business in a "reputable manner.”
Moral turpitude could be a reasonable description of Trump's deviant behavior, in my view. I wonder if the state of NJ will agree.
Do you think he was confused about some of this stuff?
Do you think that he meant it when he said he didn't care about those people, he only cared about their vote?
It seems like small things like a teleprompter, or a wobbly podium, or rain in Normandy can totally upend Trump's intentions. Trump admitted that he doesn't pay contractors if he can find fault with their work. He should realize that the American people found fault with his work in November of 2020 and they hired another guy. He hasn't done anything since that loss to improve his attractiveness as a candidate for the same job he was fired from. He tells the same lies over and over and has added some crazy un-American rhetoric to boot.
Maybe you can put all of that into the proper context.
Good thing that Trump doesn't need teleprompters according to Beerman. And the part about not caring about the people just wanting their vote was a joke.
"I pay all this money to teleprompter people, and I'd say 20% of the time, they don't work,” he said, adding he would not pay the vendor who provided the prompters. "It's a mess.”
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Tweety said:
Good thing that Trump doesn't need teleprompters according to Beerman. And the part about not caring about the people just wanting their vote was a joke.
"I don't want anybody going on me. We need every voter. I don't care about you. I just want your vote,” he said, adding that he was joking.
Earlier in his speech, he said the campaign would offer help to people who were feeling tired and joked that "everybody,” including the U.S. Secret Service, was worried about the safety of the crowds and not about him.
"They never mentioned me. I'm up here sweating like a dog,” he said. "This is hard work.”
Malignant narcissists always tell the funniest jokes.
Good thing that Trump doesn't need teleprompters according to Beerman. And the part about not caring about the people just wanting their vote was a joke.
Whenever someone insults me and follows with a "hahaha just kidding", they've shown me what they think. Really he's insulting his audience but they probably don't get it or maybe I'm reading too much into it. But when someone shows their true self...believe them.
Former President Trump in a fundraising email on Wednesday wrote, "Haul out the Guillotine!," as he baselessly accused his political opponents of going after him and his supporters.
Why it matters: It's the latest example of the presumptive GOP presidential candidate's calls for violence and retaliation against his political enemies following his historic conviction on 34 felony counts.
Trump last week said during an interview with Fox News on Wednesday that he'd have "every right to go after" his political opponents if he's elected in November.
Driving the news: Trump in the fundraising appeal mentioned comedian Kathy Griffin, who in 2017, received blowback over a photoshoot in which she held a replica of Trump's bloodied and severed head.
"Remember when that Sicko Kathy Griffin made the rounds parading my BEHEADED head when I was President?! The radical-left CHEERED!" Trump said in the fundraising email.
Griffin was fired from hosting CNN's New Year's Eve coverage in the wake of the incident, and earlier this year she claimed the Justice Department considered charging her for the stunt.
"The SAD and HORRIFIC TRUTH is that this is STILL the Sick Dream of every Trump-Deranged lunatic out there!" Trump wrote as he sought to rally his supporters.
"And it's not just me they want gone, THEY'RE REALLY COMING AFTER YOU!"
I wonder how his devoted fan base receives this kind of messaging. Does the anxiety that follows such dramatic fear mongering make them feel like violence may be inevitable? What do you think Trump expects besides more donations?
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That's exactly what's going to happen. We're adults and Americans and believe in our system. If someone is found innocent by a court of law, we accept that. If someone wins an election, we accept that. It's not that hard to do. We can swallow bitter pills and disappointment if we have to.