The problem isn’t her views on Donald Trump. It’s her relationships with fellow Republicans.
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...The divide is deeper than pro- or anti-Trump. Rather, it’s a disagreement about how influential an out-of-office Trump continues to be on the party and whether, politically speaking, GOP energy is best spent fighting him or President Joe Biden. Cheney and her allies say Trump is an electoral loser for the GOP and won’t fade on his own; others argue his influence is diminishing and it’s disastrous to keep fighting the last war.
That sentiment is behind the exasperation with Cheney that extends even to some of the Republicans who joined her in voting for Trump’s second impeachment, according to two GOP lawmakers. They say Cheney is hurting the electoral prospects of the anti-Trumpers in the conference, who are being asked about her, rather than Biden, when they return home to their districts....
...Democracy is not an issue you can simply put aside, or even weigh alongside all the other issues. It’s a foundational issue — the one decision that has to be settled before any other political question can be considered.
That fate of American democracy is the biggest issue in American politics. The system survived Trump’s often clumsy efforts to subvert it. But the threat is far from over. A majority of Republican voters believe Trump’s lie that the election was stolen, and this belief has been the most important driver of their post-election behavior. Republican-controlled states are implementing voting restrictions to placate this lie; Republican officials who refused to go along with Trump’s autogolpe are being removed from their positions.
The Bulwark’s Jonathan Last recently argued that Trump’s election lie is the Republican autopsy. “Republicans are already well on their way to marshaling the political will to do whatever the law even theoretically might allow in pursuit of power,” he argued. In 2020, a handful of key Republican actors were unwilling to use the full extent of their power to overturn the result and either assign electoral votes to their party using their control of state government, or throw the contest to the House.
Trump is both extending his control over the party and ensuring that his anti-democratic ideology is no longer challenged. He is training his party to join him in subverting the next election. ...
I was hoping that without Twitter and facebook, along with NY state investigations that Trumps influence would wane. More upsetting is the BIG LIE continuing with Republicans enabling.
Maybe I do, or don't. don't really care, I'm just amused some spend so much effort whining about it and/ or defining it when you could simply address what the person said, or ignore it.
I'm thankful I have better things to do.
It would be worthwhile to take a deep dive into the meaning of "deflection."
We all do it until we understand why we do it. It's a normal defense mechanism for children but should be cast aside by the time we are adults. Try really, really hard not to do it and you might come up with something that is a contribution.
It would be worthwhile to take a deep dive into the meaning of "deflection."
We all do it until we understand why we do it. It's a normal defense mechanism for children but should be cast aside by the time we are adults. Try really, really hard not to do it and you might come up with something that is a contribution.
It seems you have joined a handful of others here who find it difficult to discuss any topic or issue without taking a personal jab at me.
Try really, really hard to not do that in the future and maybe your comments will be taken more seriously.
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Rep. Cheney (R-WY) spoke in the House tonight, denouncing former President Trump's claim that the 2020 presidential election was stolen, calling it an attempt to undermine democracy., the night before a vote to remove her from the #3 position in her party.
C-SPAN May 11, 2021 | Clip Of House Session, Part 2
THIS EVENING. I KNOW THE TOPIC, MR. SPEAKER, IS CANCEL CULTURE, I HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT, BUT TONIGHT, I RISE TO DISCUSS FREEDOM AND OUR CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY TO PROTECT IT. MR. SPEAKER, I HAVE BEEN PRIVILEGED TO SEE FIRSTHAND HOW POWERFUL AND HOW FRAGILE FREEDOM IS. ...
.... TODAY, WE FACE A THREAT AMERICA HAS NEVER SEEN BEFORE. A FORMER PRESIDENT WHO PROVOKED A VIOLENT ATTACK ON THIS CAPITOL IN AN EFFORT TO STEAL THE ELECTION HAS RESUMED HIS AGGRESSIVE EFFORTS TO CONVINCE AMERICANS THAT THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN FROM HIM. HE RISKS INCITING FURTHER VIOLENCE. MILLIONS OF AMERICANS HAVE BEEN MISLED BY THE FORMER PRESIDENT. THEY HAVE HEARD ONLY HIS WORDS BUT NOT THE TRUTH. AS HE CONTINUES TO UNDERMINE OUR DEMOCRATIC PROCESS, SOWING SEEDS OF DOUBT ABOUT WHETHER DEMOCRACY REALLY WORKS AT ALL.
I AM A CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN AND THE MOST CONSERVATIVE OF CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLES IS REVERENCE FOR THE RULE OF LAW. THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE HAS VOTED. MORE THAN 60 STATE AND FEDERAL COURTS, INCLUDING MULL PL JUDGES THE FORMER PRESIDENT APPOINTED, HAVE REJECTED HIS CLAIMS.
THE TRUMP DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE INVESTIGATED THE FORMER PRESIDENT'S CLAIMS OF WIDESPREAD FRAUD AND FOUND NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THEM. THE ELECTION IS OVER. THAT IS THE RULE OF LAW. THAT IS OUR CONSTITUTIONAL PROCESS. THOSE WHO REFUSE TO ACCEPT THE RULINGS OF OUR COURTS ARE AT WAR WITH THE CONSTITUTION. OUR DUTY IS CLEAR. EVERY ONE OF US WHO HAS SWORN THE OATH MUST ACT TO PREVENT THE UNRAVELING OF OUR DEMOCRACY. THIS IS NOT ABOUT POLICY.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT PARTISANSHIP. THIS IS ABOUT OUR DUTY AS AMERICANS. REMAINING SILENT AND IGNORING THE LIE EMBOLDENS THE LIAR. I WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN THAT. I WILL NOT SIT BACK AND WATCH IN SILENCE WHILE OTHERS LEAD OUR PARTY DOWN A PATH THAT ABANDONS THE RULE OF LAW AND JOINS THE FORMER PRESIDENT'S CRUSADE TO UNDERMINE OUR DEMOCRACY. AS THE PARTY OF REAGAN, REPUBLICANS HAVE CHAMPIONED DEMOCRACY, WON THE COLD WAR AND DEFEATED THE SOVIET COMMUNISTS.
TODAY, AMERICA S ON THE CUSP OF ANOTHER COLD WAR. THIS TIME WITH COMMUNIST CHINA. ATTACKS AGAINST OUR DEMOCRATIC PROCESS AND THE RULE OF LAW EMPOWER OUR ADVERSARIES AND FEED COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA THAT AMERICAN DEMOCRACY IS A FAILURE. WE MUST SPEAK THE TRUTH. OUR ELECTION WAS NOT STOLEN AND AMERICA HAS NOT FAILED. ...
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On 5/11/2021 at 7:59 PM, NRSKarenRN said:
Rep. Cheney (R-WY) spoke in the House tonight, denouncing former President Trump's claim that the 2020 presidential election was stolen, calling it an attempt to undermine democracy., the night before a vote to remove her from the #3 position in her party.
C-SPAN May 11, 2021 | Clip Of House Session, Part 2
I watched the speech, it was historic. The battle lines are drawn. Cheney made it clear that whether or not she is in "leadership" she is not going to shut up. After she's out of leadership does that mean that Trumpism has fully consumed the Republican party and the GOP?
I watched the speech, it was historic. The battle lines are drawn. Cheney mage it clear that whether or not she is in "leadership" she is not going to shut up. After she's out of leadership does that mean that Trumpism has fully consumed the Republican party and the GOP?
I think that it might be significant that the republicans hid Trump's true polls from him because they were significantly lower than previously portrayed. Coupled with Biden's polling numbers and the high approval ratings with how he's handling the country, the republicans might just be using Trump to slowly move his supporters over?
It's a crazy plan because Trump's supporters aren't really known for logical or sensible choices.
Where is Dick Cheney? He always has something to say but he's silent about this. I just know he has something brewing behind the scenes. He's sinister.
It seems you have joined a handful of others here who find it difficult to discuss any topic or issue without taking a personal jab at me.
Try really, really hard to not do that in the future and maybe your comments will be taken more seriously.
You're the one who intimated that you might not know the meaning of the word. I tried not to make it personal by explaining that it's a defense mechanism we all use from time to time. But if you are AWARE that you are doing it, it becomes possible to say something more profound than accusing others of avoiding you because we disagree with your sources. It's not personal; it's just factual. Also, the topic is Liz Cheney and her removal by her own party. Do you have anything to say about that?
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21 hours ago, Beerman said:
It seems you have joined a handful of others here who find it difficult to discuss any topic or issue without taking a personal jab at me.
Try really, really hard to not do that in the future and maybe your comments will be taken more seriously.
You make it really difficult to have a discussion by persisting in disingenuous and partisan nonsense...like throwing out that partisan deflection and then acting like that doesn't matter...or sharing right wing partisan interpretations of reality and then acting offended when that source Is critiqued and the errors are explored.
If you try really hard not to do that in the future, maybe your comments will be taken more seriously.
You'rethe one who intimated that you might not know the meaning of the word.
I also said I didn't care.
3 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:
You make it really difficult to have a discussion by persisting in disingenuous and partisan nonsense...like throwing out that partisan deflection and then acting like that doesn't matter...or sharing right wing partisan interpretations of reality and then acting offended when that source Is critiqued and the errors are explored.
If you try really hard not to do that in the future, maybe your comments will be taken more seriously.
I'm amused that you believe I'm the only partisan one here. ?
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38 minutes ago, Beerman said:
I also said I didn't care.
I'm amused that you believe I'm the only partisan one here. ?
I'm amused that you believe that I said such a thing and would offer it up in an environment where you are routinely called out for making blanket statements as if they are fact simply because you have a feeling.
I'm amused that you believe I'm the only partisan one here. ?
Being partisan has nothing to do with being able to realize when the medium is massaging you. You make partisan sound like a dirty word. I'm proud not to be in league with people who would dispatch with someone so smart (even though I don't agree with world outlook) and put in her place an idiot like Kevin McCarthy who's always pulling his finger out of his colon and holding it in the wind. Liz Cheney is articulated and sincere but Kevin McCarthy is an ignorant boot licker who can barely speak coherently. Both sides have losers but "Loser" is now the trademark of the Republican party. In a small way, Biden's policies scare me because they are so bold and I'm just not accustomed to bold. But any misgivings I have are not enough to make me ever vote Republican again for my local dog catcher. But , seriously, I can't find any way that Obama's bail-out in 2009 has harmed me. I wouldn't have cared at that time if AIG folded and was so enraged with the financial thievery that went on and no one went to jail. I was also nervous about that the feds having to rescue these idiots, but I was WRONG. Obama did the correct action for the time to ward off a depression. I didn't even vote for Obama because I thought he was too inexperienced. But I had the luxury of voting for no one because my state always goes Dem anyway so my vote doesn't count and when my guy does something stupid I can always say that "I didn't vote for him":) People who are driven by ideology are usually not very good at thinking for themselves. Ideology is like a flow-chart and contrived for naive people telling them how to think and where to bring the torches. Where does the truth lie? it's ideology that makes people think they know the answer to philosophical questions when in fact, only history will give us the answer. But previous history tells us that we have had within 100 years 2 previous precedents for a massive federal response and both times, IMHO, it worked out pretty well for most.
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It would be worthwhile to take a deep dive into the meaning of "deflection."
We all do it until we understand why we do it. It's a normal defense mechanism for children but should be cast aside by the time we are adults. Try really, really hard not to do it and you might come up with something that is a contribution.