The problem isn’t her views on Donald Trump. It’s her relationships with fellow Republicans.
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...The divide is deeper than pro- or anti-Trump. Rather, it’s a disagreement about how influential an out-of-office Trump continues to be on the party and whether, politically speaking, GOP energy is best spent fighting him or President Joe Biden. Cheney and her allies say Trump is an electoral loser for the GOP and won’t fade on his own; others argue his influence is diminishing and it’s disastrous to keep fighting the last war.
That sentiment is behind the exasperation with Cheney that extends even to some of the Republicans who joined her in voting for Trump’s second impeachment, according to two GOP lawmakers. They say Cheney is hurting the electoral prospects of the anti-Trumpers in the conference, who are being asked about her, rather than Biden, when they return home to their districts....
...Democracy is not an issue you can simply put aside, or even weigh alongside all the other issues. It’s a foundational issue — the one decision that has to be settled before any other political question can be considered.
That fate of American democracy is the biggest issue in American politics. The system survived Trump’s often clumsy efforts to subvert it. But the threat is far from over. A majority of Republican voters believe Trump’s lie that the election was stolen, and this belief has been the most important driver of their post-election behavior. Republican-controlled states are implementing voting restrictions to placate this lie; Republican officials who refused to go along with Trump’s autogolpe are being removed from their positions.
The Bulwark’s Jonathan Last recently argued that Trump’s election lie is the Republican autopsy. “Republicans are already well on their way to marshaling the political will to do whatever the law even theoretically might allow in pursuit of power,” he argued. In 2020, a handful of key Republican actors were unwilling to use the full extent of their power to overturn the result and either assign electoral votes to their party using their control of state government, or throw the contest to the House.
Trump is both extending his control over the party and ensuring that his anti-democratic ideology is no longer challenged. He is training his party to join him in subverting the next election. ...
I was hoping that without Twitter and facebook, along with NY state investigations that Trumps influence would wane. More upsetting is the BIG LIE continuing with Republicans enabling.
This describes me perfectly. I am a Republican and a conservative, but I can’t stand Trump and did not vote for him in 2016 OR 2020. In fact, I voted for Biden because he is a decent human being, even though I oppose his ideas about abortion and tax-and-spend proposals. I worry about his health, and I worry about Democrats pushing him too far left. But I enjoy waking up in the morning and Trump is no longer President.
I get not wanting to vote for Trump. But voting for someone you have so much disagreement and concerns about just doesnt make sense.
Yoi were far from alone, though.
The logical, unemotional action would be to not vote at all.
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52 minutes ago, Beerman said:
I get not wanting to vote for Trump. But voting for someone you have so much disagreement and concerns about just doesnt make sense.
Yoi were far from alone, though.
The logical, unemotional action would be to not vote at all.
The logical action is to participate in our democratic vote and protect the nation from a dangerous liar. It's difficult to be unemotional about having a corrupt crazy man trying to ruin our republic.
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1 hour ago, Beerman said:
I get not wanting to vote for Trump. But voting for someone you have so much disagreement and concerns about just doesnt make sense.
Yoi were far from alone, though.
The logical, unemotional action would be to not vote at all.
I did that in 2016. I couldn’t abide Hillary, so I didn’t vote for President at all. I voted in all the down-ballot races, just not the top job. I hated doing that but there was literally NO ONE I could support. I hope that never happens again...this “lesser of two evils” thing needs to go away.
I did that in 2016. I couldn’t abide Hillary, so I didn’t vote for President at all. I voted in all the down-ballot races, just not the top job. I hated doing that but there was literally NO ONE I could support. I hope that never happens again...this “lesser of two evils” thing needs to go away.
How do you make it go away? I would debate that the more difficult, correct thing to do is vote for the lesser evil in an election in which, literally, every vote counts. It requires more thinkingand thinking isn't illegal yet:)
..... In fact, I voted for Biden because he is a decent human being, even though I oppose his ideas about abortion and tax-and-spend proposals. I worry about his health, and I worry about Democrats pushing him too far left. But I enjoy waking up in the morning and Trump is no longer President.
Sing out loud, sister! I feel safe waking up now, safe in the belief that the 'red phone' in the oval office wasn't used overnight. Or that a radioactive cloud isn't spreading easterly across the Pacific.
I did that in 2016. I couldn’t abide Hillary, so I didn’t vote for President at all. I voted in all the down-ballot races, just not the top job. I hated doing that but there was literally NO ONE I could support. I hope that never happens again...this “lesser of two evils” thing needs to go away.
What were your dislikes about Hillary and how would you compare them to the qualities Trump has demonstrated?
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I get not wanting to vote for Trump. But voting for someone you have so much disagreement and concerns about just doesnt make sense.
Yoi were far from alone, though.
The logical, unemotional action would be to not vote at all.