The problem isn’t her views on Donald Trump. It’s her relationships with fellow Republicans.
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...The divide is deeper than pro- or anti-Trump. Rather, it’s a disagreement about how influential an out-of-office Trump continues to be on the party and whether, politically speaking, GOP energy is best spent fighting him or President Joe Biden. Cheney and her allies say Trump is an electoral loser for the GOP and won’t fade on his own; others argue his influence is diminishing and it’s disastrous to keep fighting the last war.
That sentiment is behind the exasperation with Cheney that extends even to some of the Republicans who joined her in voting for Trump’s second impeachment, according to two GOP lawmakers. They say Cheney is hurting the electoral prospects of the anti-Trumpers in the conference, who are being asked about her, rather than Biden, when they return home to their districts....
...Democracy is not an issue you can simply put aside, or even weigh alongside all the other issues. It’s a foundational issue — the one decision that has to be settled before any other political question can be considered.
That fate of American democracy is the biggest issue in American politics. The system survived Trump’s often clumsy efforts to subvert it. But the threat is far from over. A majority of Republican voters believe Trump’s lie that the election was stolen, and this belief has been the most important driver of their post-election behavior. Republican-controlled states are implementing voting restrictions to placate this lie; Republican officials who refused to go along with Trump’s autogolpe are being removed from their positions.
The Bulwark’s Jonathan Last recently argued that Trump’s election lie is the Republican autopsy. “Republicans are already well on their way to marshaling the political will to do whatever the law even theoretically might allow in pursuit of power,” he argued. In 2020, a handful of key Republican actors were unwilling to use the full extent of their power to overturn the result and either assign electoral votes to their party using their control of state government, or throw the contest to the House.
Trump is both extending his control over the party and ensuring that his anti-democratic ideology is no longer challenged. He is training his party to join him in subverting the next election. ...
I was hoping that without Twitter and facebook, along with NY state investigations that Trumps influence would wane. More upsetting is the BIG LIE continuing with Republicans enabling.
Funny how the press propaganda machine and their followers in this forums cant get enough of Republican disagreements, but will barely acknowledge the Texas Democrat congressman's criticism of Bidens handling of the border crisis.
I think if Democrats decided to strip him of his power and called him a traitor I bet it would get more coverage don't you think?
I don't think this is all about her criticizing him and voting for impeachment, it's about the Republican response and their treatment of her.
She stated a long while ago she wanted to move on and fight the "dangerous" Biden administration plans and yet instead of uniting in this cause they've gone all ******* on her and she has to fight her own party which she believes in. Pretty pathetic.
When you say "Trump supporter," are you referring to all of the 74 million who voted for him? Or, are you using other criteria to make this classification?
I would say that yes a "Trump supporter" is all of the 74 million people who voted for him.
What I would not say is like the poster you're asking said " his supporters are white nationalist, who are also authoritarians." That's too broad of a statement for 74 million people.
I know some of the people that voted for him hate him but fear the Democrat platform more. Others like my aunt are single issue voters and she voted for Trump over abortion. They would have rather had another more upstanding republican but choose him over Biden not because they are Nazi or racist.
It's too bad those people that are truly die-hard Republicans didn't have leadership that found a better alternative to Trump.
That being said a huge amount of those 74 million people are indeed racist, homophobic, xenophobic, anti-muslim, etc. and all that and found their leader in Trump. They've proved this to me.
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The issue is that there are Republicans who are not Trump supporters...like Cheney...definitely a Republican and definitely a social conservative but definitely not a Trump supporter. There isn't much room or tolerance for people who don't support Trump in that political party. What is modeled for the masses by republican leadership is that complete fealty to Trump, his lies and his dangerous agenda are necessary to be considered a member of their political club in his standing. Speak against Trump and your membership will be canceled.
The Trump supporters here in the interior of Alaska don't shy away from the racist or misogynistic features of Trump's messaging, they are proud of it. It's an interesting phenomenon.
I think if Democrats decided to strip him of his power and called him a traitor I bet it would get more coverage don't you think?
I don't think this is all about her criticizing him and voting for impeachment, it's about the Republican response and their treatment of her.
She stated a long while ago she wanted to move on and fight the "dangerous" Biden administration plans and yet instead of uniting in this cause they've gone all apeshit on her and she has to fight her own party which she believes in. Pretty pathetic.
But nice deflection anyway.
He is a traitor to his fellow Hispanics and a Democrat in name only. A DINO!
He votes with republicans 70% of the time and is loved by the NRA. Do you really think that Dems would take him seriously?
I would doubt that even republicans would trust him? Anyone who is as wishy washy and hasn't understood especially with his background and looks, that when someone says you are a rapist and a murderer who is infected with who knows what diseases, actually means him, should NEVER BE TRUSTED!
It sort of like a Jewish person siding with the Nazis because he feels that they might leave him alone. That's the kind of level of stupidity that's attributable to republicans eg Guiliani, Liz Cheney etc who will be sacrificed, for a rapist, racist, criminal!
Just watch, the moment Trump gets indicted or charged, watch the pathetic republicans distance themselves and then try to gaslight everything.
I would vomit if I knew that people like ted Cruz, Bobbert, Greene, Nunes, Hawley etc were Democrats and I would change party in a hurry! It's like being in the same club with Goebbles, Himler and Goering. You lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas!
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Interesting comment about fleas. Kevin McCarthy shared on social media today about lessons from his mother. The first comment I saw asked him if his mother hadn't ever warned him about lying with dogs and getting fleas. I think it was a woman who commented so I'm pretty sure it wasn't you, but clearly others also feel that the old warnings from our parents and grandparents are very relevant in the era of Trump.
It's interesting that the Republican political leadership can be blatantly dishonest and disingenuous and their voting base is either completely oblivious or disinterested; redirected to some imagined threat of socialism, communism, or culture war. Right now, Republican politicians are legislating and campaigning on lies and unfounded fears. The GOP politicians themselves will twist and spin and do verbal acrobatics to avoid saying specific things in the era of Trump. They cannot anticipate a future in the current GOP if they publicly say that;
The 2020 election was certified as free of fraud or corruption
Biden is the legitimately elected president of the United States.
There is no evidence of fraud or corruption which necessitates sweeping legislation to fix a nonexistent problem.
Lies about election integrity, refusal to concede election loss, refusal to facilitate a peaceful transfer of power and incitement of an angry attack on the capitol because of that electoral loss and lie are un-American and a direct threat to our democratic republic.
Current congressional Republicans must keep the suspicions and fears alive. In the party of Trump, the truth about elections is not tolerated. This is right out of the handbook for right wing authoritarians.
The republicans have aligned themselves with someone who is impulsive and chaotic and one thing you learn in Psych, is to always beware of people like that.
In my business life I have very strict rules with NO DEVIATIONS WHATSOEVER!
I avoid impulsive people like the plague. They are always harbingers of trouble, instigated by themselves or the people they surround themselves with because it's the only people who can stand them. Either way they are just plain and simple trouble!
Look at how many people in Trump's sphere are charged, indicted or convicted. Look at his administration at how many people were fired or got into trouble and still we are going to have even more just waiting to be investigated.
I admire Liz Cheney and Romney, but I don't forget what they stood for. Hopefully they are changed people, but I doubt it. Trump is going to flame out very soon and the republicans will implode. They began this decline a long time ago. From Atwater to Rove to Stephen Miller to Bannon etc. It's not an indictment of them, but we the American people! We have been worshipping the almighty dollar for too long and breeding people who embrace corruption and molding a justice system through lobbyists to look the other way or simply pay to play.
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37 minutes ago, Beerman said:
So . Much. Deflection.
Maybe you don't know what deflection means. Cheney is about to have her leadership role removed because she continues to publicly push against Trump's big lie. It's literally the topic of the thread.
Cheney is getting cancelled because she won't shut up. She persists in speaking the truth while they pretend that Trump isn't destroying confidence in our democratic processes to benefit himself and his children. They apparently haven't thought past what happens after they steal a presidency for Trump, she has. Now they are punishing her for making them look like they support and campaign on dangerous lies.
Maybe I do, or don't. don't really care, I'm just amused some spend so much effort whining about it and/ or defining it when you could simply address what the person said, or ignore it.
Maybe I do, or don't. don't really care, I'm just amused some spend so much effort whining about it and/ or defining it when you could simply address what the person said, or ignore it.
I'm thankful I have better things to do.
You said "So. Much. Deflection".
Perhaps then you can follow your own advice and not accuse someone of deflection, discuss the deflection or just ignore it since you have better things to do.
I certainly don't whine about it but I do call it out and won't be ignoring it. But you might notice I do both...complain about it and discuss it...sometimes. I find it a good use of my time.
Or maybe, I'll just take the high road and let the threads take their own course and ignore deflection changes of topic. It's like beating a dead horse and something I need to think about.
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20 hours ago, Tweety said:
You said "So. Much. Deflection".
Perhaps then you can follow your own advice and not accuse someone of deflection, discuss the deflection or just ignore it since you have better things to do.
I certainly don't whine about it but I do call it out and won't be ignoring it. But you might notice I do both...complain about it and discuss it...sometimes. I find it a good use of my time.
Or maybe, I'll just take the high road and let the threads take their own course and ignore deflection changes of topic. It's like beating a dead horse and something I need to think about.
Nah, you are quite right and haven't really represented some extreme that requires introspection, IMV. It's not necessary that we all agree but it is necessary that we engage with some measure of honesty and self awareness, as you do. You highlighted a clear double standard. Credibility suffers when people have standards for others that they don't apply to themselves.
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I think if Democrats decided to strip him of his power and called him a traitor I bet it would get more coverage don't you think?
I don't think this is all about her criticizing him and voting for impeachment, it's about the Republican response and their treatment of her.
She stated a long while ago she wanted to move on and fight the "dangerous" Biden administration plans and yet instead of uniting in this cause they've gone all ******* on her and she has to fight her own party which she believes in. Pretty pathetic.
But nice deflection anyway.