The Kamala Harris Thread

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Democrats are excited about Harris and as of this writing she's raised 100 million dollars since Biden announced he was dropping out and throwing his support behind her.

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"Republicans, I worry, vastly underestimate Kamala Harris. They don't think very highly of her. They don't think she's terribly bright. When you or I bring up Kamala Harris' name in Republican circles, people laugh. It's immediately a punchline," Cruz said Monday on his podcast "Verdict with Ted Cruz." 

Cruz warned against Republicans preemptively celebrating a Trump-Vance win months out from the election, arguing Democrats and the media will promote Harris as an "historic" candidate. 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cruz-warns-against-underestimating-harris-dems-pitching-her-mother-teresa-oprah-gandhi-combo

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Beerman said:

I wouldn't expect you or most others here on the left to find the Democrat ticket to be radical. 

The Harris quote isn't new and is easily found if you're so inclined.

Nah. I'm not inclined. I thought that if the "quote" was an important clue to the radical liberalism you might be able to explain. Sounds like it isn't very important or maybe not a good example of the radical label.  

Lots of liberals were kind of surprised that conservatives are unable to discern Trump's right wing extremism from conservatism but there doesn't seem to be a similar deficit among liberals. Conservatives painted Clinton as a radical liberal in 2016 and she's so far right she's almost republican still.  The evidence suggests that such accusations from the right is primarily rhetorical... everything looks radically left when you're walking in the footsteps of fascists.  

At every level and facet of examination, Harris is a better candidate than Trump.  She has a better temperament.  

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Can't say I saw the socialist angle coming but the "radical left agenda" is certainly expected as they are both progressives.  

Fascist is not the new buzz word as it's thrown around long before this election, probably during the Trump administration.  It is getting thrown around again because he's the nominee.

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/biden-distraction-trump-fascism/

 "Threat to Democracy" is the buzzword.  It obviously stems from the non-belief in Democracy and the great lie Trump to this day is promoting, that the 2020 election was fraudulent without proof.  

Still fear mongering is what we do from "they are promoting a radical left agenda" (open borders, abortion, allowing boys to girls and girls to be boys),  to "he's a threat to Democracy".   I think it's why close to this time of year I get tired of all the rhetoric as it ramps up.  Meh......

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Tweety said:

Can't say I saw the socialist angle coming but the "radical left agenda" is certainly expected as they are both progressives.  

Fascist is not the new buzz word as it's thrown around long before this election, probably during the Trump administration.  "Threat to Democracy" is the buzzword.  It obviously stems from the non-belief in Democracy and the great lie Trump to this day is promoting, that the 2020 election was fraudulent without proof.  

Still fear mongering is what we do from "they are promoting a radical left agenda" (open borders, abortion, allowing boys to girls and girls to be boys),  to "he's a threat to Democracy".   I think it's why close to this time of year I get tired of all the rhetoric as it ramps up.  Meh......

Which is why one should not listen to what they but watch what they do, instead.

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Beerman said:

Is that what you think he was speaking of?  Is that why you think The Squad is so enamored with him?

So rather than plainly state why Walz is viewed as a radical, you choose to talk in riddles. That makes me think you have a vague definition of radical, and just stick it to anyone who is against Trump. 

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Tweety said:

Can't say I saw the socialist angle coming but the "radical left agenda" is certainly expected as they are both progressives.  

Fascist is not the new buzz word as it's thrown around long before this election, probably during the Trump administration.  It is getting thrown around again because he's the nominee.

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/biden-distraction-trump-fascism/

 "Threat to Democracy" is the buzzword.  It obviously stems from the non-belief in Democracy and the great lie Trump to this day is promoting, that the 2020 election was fraudulent without proof.  

Still fear mongering is what we do from "they are promoting a radical left agenda" (open borders, abortion, allowing boys to girls and girls to be boys),  to "he's a threat to Democracy".   I think it's why close to this time of year I get tired of all the rhetoric as it ramps up.  Meh......

Actually, overturning elections through fraudulent means is a threat to democracy. It was tried in 2020, and will be tried again. It's not just a buzzword. 

Sticking vague, incendiary labels on your political opponents instead of actually discussing the issues is lazy, but effective. 

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nursej22 said:

Actually, overturning elections through fraudulent means is a threat to democracy. It was tried in 2020, and will be tried again. It's not just a buzzword. 

Sticking vague, incendiary labels on your political opponents instead of actually discussing the issues is lazy, but effective. 

Trump is expert at calling people names and labeling them in derogatory ways.  That's his political MO

Now Vance is trying to make the case that Harris and Walz are name calling bullies who don't know who they are after Walz characterized the talk and focus of team Trump as weird. The gas lighting is impressive.  

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"Her moment": Time Magazine puts Kamala Harris on its cover

The feature story traces her rise to the top of the national Democratic ticket and the challenges that lie ahead for her candidacy.

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...matched to the moment: a former prosecutor running against a convicted felon, a defender of abortion rights running against the man who helped overturn Roe v. Wade, a next-generation Democrat running against a 78-year-old Republican. Perhaps above all, she has given Americans the one thing they overwhelmingly told pollsters they wanted: a credible alternative to the two unpopular old men who have held the job for the past eight long years

https://time.com/7009317/reintroduction-of-kamala-harris/?linkId=544645583

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Kamala Harris has flip-flopped on virtually every policy she has supported and lived by for her entire career, from the Border to Tips, and the Fake News Media isn't reporting it. She sounds more like Trump than Trump, copying almost everything. She is conning the American public, and will flip right back. I will MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! There will be no flipping!

https://trKuthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/112948746752564485

Yet Trump gave Kamala $5,000 for her 2011 AG campaign + other $$: 

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It was true that, in 2011, Trump donated $5,000 to Harris' reelection campaign for California attorney general, campaign finance records showed. He also donated $1,000 to the same campaign in 2013. Separately, Trump's daughter Ivanka Trump donated $2,000 to Harris' reelection effort in California.  https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-donation-kamala-harris/ 

Trump was considering building in San Francisco during this timeframe

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Harris deserves the Time's cover as it is huge news.  Trump got similarly flattering covers, but of course some not so flattering.  

When I think of radical left agenda, which I still think of as progressive, I do think of "The Squad", Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.  

Interesting Sanders declined to endorse Harris right away because he wanted to make sure she was progressive enough.  He now is part of "Progressives for Harris".

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Yet the same poll shows the progressive agenda — much of which was included in Build Back Better and other proposals by Biden, Sanders notes — was overwhelmingly popular. This comes even as the state of the U.S. economy, jobs and inflation, issues on which Trump and Republicans are dominating, are easily the top focus for voters.

"There are not any radical ideas that nobody has ever heard of,” Sanders said in an interview on Sunday to discuss the poll findings.

For instance, the poll shows that increasing taxes on the wealthy is supported by a 71%-27%margin overall. Even Republicans favored it by a 55%-43% majority.

https://punchbowl.news/article/election-2024/sanders-pushes-harris-on-progressive-agenda/

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Tweety said:

Harris deserves the Time's cover as it is huge news.  Trump got similarly flattering covers, but of course some not so flattering.  

When I think of radical left agenda, which I still think of as progressive, I do think of "The Squad", Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.  

Interesting Sanders declined to endorse Harris right away because he wanted to make sure she was progressive enough.  He now is part of "Progressives for Harris".

https://punchbowl.news/article/election-2024/sanders-pushes-harris-on-progressive-agenda/

If a majority favor increasing taxes on the wealthy, then that doesn't seem radical. 

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nursej22 said:

If a majority favor increasing taxes on the wealthy, then that doesn't seem radical. 

I agree with Sanders and you on that one.  It's just not the Republican leadership's agenda so it's a "radical left agenda".  

I remember the same kind of thoughts about Obamacare.  Remember when that was radical and people thought it the worst idea of all time.  Romney and Trump even years later campaigned on eliminating it.  But when you broke it down and polled people about the individual things such as "do you think your children should be able to stay on your insurance...." people liked it.  Or "do you think people should have affordable health care insurance when they are low income"...yes, that's a great idea.  Just not Obamacare.   eyeroll emoji

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Tweety said:

I agree with Sanders and you on that one.  It's just not the Republican leadership's agenda so it's a "radical left agenda".  

I remember the same kind of thoughts about Obamacare.  Remember when that was radical and people thought it the worst idea of all time.  Romney and Trump even years later campaigned on eliminating it.  But when you broke it down and polled people about the individual things such as "do you think your children should be able to stay on your insurance...." people liked it.  Or "do you think people should have affordable health care insurance when they are low income"...yes, that's a great idea.  Just not Obamacare.   eyeroll emoji

That difference between what Republicans describe as a "radical left agenda" and the public agreement with that democratic agenda might explain why Republicans have trouble winning the popular vote on the presidential elections and why they lost house and senate seats under the extremist and epically dishonest Trump presidency.  Trump republicans misrepresent truth and spin a narrative that the majority of voters find unappealing.  

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