Pro Republica The Insurrection website gathering information regarding behind the scenes rally/riot start, online postings and public information about the U.S. Capital Building Riot which occurred immediately post President Trump rally held 1/06/2021. Will post info of interest regarding the upcoming Impeachment Trial for our members discussion in this thread . Our Democracy still at stake. Karen
Caroline Wren, a Trump fundraiser, is listed as a “VIP Advisor” in a National Park Service permit for the Jan. 6th rally at the Ellipse. Text messages and a planning memo show the title downplays the active role she played in organizing the event.
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11 hours ago, Beerman said:
I didn't realize this, as I havent followed this story very closely.
That seems telling, that he "declined" to preside.
And, Leahy is going to preside, and vote?
What a sham. It will be fun to once again see the air go out of the Dems get Trump balloon. It would he amusing if it wasnt such a waste of time and money when there are so much more pressing issues to be dealt with that are not. Like the last time.
I wonder what's being done to deal with the thousands of migrants again gathering at the border, and now are being let in. Without being tested for Covid, btw.
Gosh...if only the previous American president hadn't fumbled the covid testing piece of his pathetic federal pandemic response. It would be funny if he and his silly sycophants hadn't spent so much time lying and obfuscating rather than problem solving. I'm guessing that any post pandemic investigation will point firmly in Kusher's general direction as they pull the threads of incompetent corruption.
Yeah...the Republican senators have already assigned "sham" to the impeachment hearing. Have you actually heard what Paul and Graham have said? LOL
I have a feeling watching how the Dems are staging this impeachment that there's more than meets the eye here.
Their formula appears to be to go through the process and get the republicans on record re who disagrees. I have a feeling that the republicans are being set up for legal and sponsorship issues. Corporate sponsors have already stated their intentions and the justice Dept appears to be looking at people who were in the background who helped plan or spoke prior to the insurrection, encouraging it. Congress and Senate republicans were involved! People were given tours prior to the insurrection.
I have very little doubt that every one in Trump's orbit, Stone, Manafort, Bannon, Flynn, Kushner, Mnuchin, Miller etc are either going to be prosecuted or sued. Fox made a huge mistake firing Dobbs in my opinion because they have shown that they are afraid and this will only embolden others(blood in the water) and if a trial was to occur, engage the Discovery process. This unearths evidence which can be used. Firing Dobbs is a huge flag of EVIDENCE waiting to be unearthed!
OAN and the other networks are liable if Fox feels vulnerable. You absolutely know that the Trump's lawyers are second rate and will be lured into traps. Guilliaini and the others have all the morals of snakes and will be making deals to save themselves.
Everyone involved in any way with this insurrection is in jeopardy. That means senators and congressmen. And, look at the silly attempt by Vance in New York to get Manafort. That can only have been a parry for the later thrusts.
If this pans out, I think Trump will destroy the republicans! And there are so many stupid republican politicians, that might be a good thing. Notice how the smartest Tom Cotton, never got involved?
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Did I just hear one of former President Trump's lawyers say the House Managers waited too long to file Articles of Impeachment, AND they Rushed to impeach too soon?
This young member of Congress was impressive to me. He seems to remember who sat in each seat throughout history.
Rep. Joe Neguse, D-Colo., one of nine House impeachment managers prosecuting the case against former President Donald Trump, spoke Tuesday in a hearing about the constitutionality of holding an impeachment trial against a former president. Many Republicans have argued that the trial should not go forward because Trump is no longer in office, an argument that is a key piece of Trump's defense, but Democrats are arguing to proceed. Neguse noted precedents set by past impeachments, such as that of former War Secretary William Belknap, former Sen. William Blount, then-sitting Judge Robert Archbald and former District Judge George English. He argued that when the founding fathers wrote the Constitution they did not exclude public officials after they left office.
Did I just hear one of former President Trump's lawyers say the House Managers waited too long to file Articles of Impeachment, AND they Rushed to impeach too soon?
This young member of Congress was impressive to me. He seems to remember who sat in each seat throughout history.
Rep. Joe Neguse, D-Colo., one of nine House impeachment managers prosecuting the case against former President Donald Trump, spoke Tuesday in a hearing about the constitutionality of holding an impeachment trial against a former president. Many Republicans have argued that the trial should not go forward because Trump is no longer in office, an argument that is a key piece of Trump's defense, but Democrats are arguing to proceed. Neguse noted precedents set by past impeachments, such as that of former War Secretary William Belknap, former Sen. William Blount, then-sitting Judge Robert Archbald and former District Judge George English. He argued that when the founding fathers wrote the Constitution they did not exclude public officials after they left office.
With a little research, I found that Belknap (the one whose name kept coming up) resigned because he was going to be impeached. And, that is likely why Pelosi was pushing for Trump to resign, so that the two cases would be similar. But, Trump finished his term, throwing a wrinkle into their plans.
Blount, was found not guilty because its pretty clear a Senator can not be impeached.
That's two strikes. I didn't look up the others. I'm sure there is at least a third strike in there somewhere.
With a little research, I found that Belknap (the one whose name kept coming up) resigned because he was going to be impeached. And, that is likely why Pelosi was pushing for Trump to resign, so that the two cases would be similar. But, Trump finished his term, throwing a wrinkle into their plans.
Blount, was found not guilty because its pretty clear a Senator can not be impeached.
That's two strikes. I didn't look up the others. I'm sure there is at least a third strike in there somewhere.
I have only one strike. Wasn't it the republicans who delayed the Impeachment, specifically Turtle Neck McConnell? So don't impeach when he's in office and also don't impeach when he's out of office?
I have only one strike. Wasn't it the republicans who delayed the Impeachment, specifically Turtle Neck McConnell? So don't impeach when he's in office and also don't impeach when he's out of office?
Is that Boolean logic or reverse Boolean logic?
If it was still up to McConnell. there wouldn't be a trial at all.
If it was still up to McConnell. there wouldn't be a trial at all.
Nice try.
So obviously there isn't any logic being applied here?
So you also engage in revision history?
Maybe that's another facet into republican psyche? The man in the High Castle, syndrome?
The minority leader who lost his position just like the former president who lost his position, want to dictate the outcome of the proceedings despite having no control whatsoever, of the course of the proceedings!
Some might call that psychotic thinking of a delusional nature. Similar to, the largest inauguration crowd ever, the greatest and best president ever or I have big hands ?????????
So obviously there isn't any logic being applied here?
I would agree. Half of this discussion is lacking logic.
2 hours ago, Curious1997 said:
The minority leader who lost his position just like the former president who lost his position, want to dictate the outcome of the proceedings despite having no control whatsoever, of the course of the proceedings!
Actually, he has one vote, just like everyone else.
Of course, that's not as influential as the man who is presiding over the trial, AND has a vote, AND apparently is also going to be a witness.
I would agree. Half of this discussion is lacking logic.
Actually, he has one vote, just like everyone else.
Of course, that's not as influential as the man who is presiding over the trial, AND has a vote, AND apparently is also going to be a witness.
Beerman, I really don't think you understand politics. McConnell is the house minority leader and because of his prominence in the party and Years of being in the senate, like Pelosi for the Dems, he knows where the skeletons are buried. If McConnell says hop, there's probably about 70% of the republican senators that will say, "How high"
'They were all witnesses. It happened to all of them.'
Imagine in your household,( like the White House is to the House members) , a certain family member is say, addicted to drugs(Trump... Power) and induces some their friends to rob your house so they can get money to buy drugs and in the ensuing incident, one of your close family members was killed.
Would you say that addicted family member(Trump) instigated the robbery that went badly? That they caused the robbery to happen that resulted in the death of your close family member?
Sort of like the situation at hand re the insurrection, don't you think? Would you then like to see that family member (Trump) never be able to initiate any other similar situations in the future, in the hopes that no other people will be traumatized or killed?
Just wondering. So after Trump's lawyers abysmal performance and it's obvious that he chose them, how does that reflect on his ability to actually choose quality people or have the availability of quality people?
We all know about his cabinet picks and the prolific rate of dismissal or convictions, does that reflect at all on just how incompetent he actually is?
We all know he's in debt up to his neck and his incredible record of failures with so many businesses and bankruptcies, does this give his followers, pause? Or, are they incapable of stepping back and reflecting?
And most importantly, all of these behaviors(attempted rapes, non payments, shady dealings etc) and observations(how he conducted himself and represented America) were apparent before the election and YET he got 74 million votes and has over 75% probably of the Houses still supporting him, what does it say about the GOP?
Of course, that's not as influential as the man who is presiding over the trial, AND has a vote, AND apparently is also going to be a witness.
Senator Leahy is " president pro tempore of the Senate, meaning he is empowered to preside over Senate sessions in the absence of Vice President Kamala Harris."
"the president pro tempore had historically presided over Senate impeachment trials of non-presidents."
"The criticism belies the fact that a member of the Senate presides at most sessions of the body, including on sensitive votes, in a procedure accepted by both parties. "
The person presiding does little more than gavel in, keep time and gavel out. Any procedural questions are referred to the parliamentarian , and decisions about calling witnesses or allowing evidence are subject to vote, as they were in Trump's first impeachment trial.
Are you saying Leahy would be more prejudiced in his vote that Cruz, Hawley or Rand?
the president pro tempore had historically presided over Senate impeachment trials of non-presidents."
Oh, I thought we were proceeding with this circus because he WAS president when he was impeached. LOL...this is too much?
Don't you think it's telling that Roberts wants no part of this? If he thought it was constitutional, I feel out of his sense of obligation to fulfill his duty, he would be there.
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Gosh...if only the previous American president hadn't fumbled the covid testing piece of his pathetic federal pandemic response. It would be funny if he and his silly sycophants hadn't spent so much time lying and obfuscating rather than problem solving. I'm guessing that any post pandemic investigation will point firmly in Kusher's general direction as they pull the threads of incompetent corruption.
Yeah...the Republican senators have already assigned "sham" to the impeachment hearing. Have you actually heard what Paul and Graham have said? LOL